Mesaĝoj: 22
Lingvo: English
ailebol (Montri la profilon) 2010-junio-08 14:17:16
1. “according to the world clock, “it is ……
2. “according to the English language,“ it is …….
Traduku.net translates these as:
1) Laux la mondo horlogxo ….
2) Laux la angla lingvo …
If this is true, then mondo is a noun and English is an adjective. Don’t they both modify their nouns?
Aslan (Montri la profilon) 2010-junio-08 14:29:19
Ironchef (Montri la profilon) 2010-junio-08 15:20:11
Aslan:Is it "mondo horloĝo" or "mondohorloĝo"? My understanding is that the former can never be correct. If one wishes to write a compound noun, they are concatenated together rather than being written as separate words.Monda horloĝo would be better. Mondhorloĝo or mond-horloĝo would be my preference. Kellerman seems to support this in her 1920 "A Complete Grammar of Esperanto"
I think it's preferred generally to remove the ending of the description element in the compound unless it inhibits pronunciation.
Mondo Horloĝo >>> mondhorloĝo
Vespero Manĝo >>> vespermanĝo
Danco Muziko >>> dancmuziko
erinja (Montri la profilon) 2010-junio-08 16:55:56
Ironchef:A clarification on this: "mondo horloĝo", "vespero manĝo" and "danco muziko" are incorrect by definition because in Esperanto, a noun cannot describe a noun.
Mondo Horloĝo >>> mondhorloĝo
Vespero Manĝo >>> vespermanĝo
Danco Muziko >>> dancmuziko
The correct forms would be "monda horloĝo", "vespera manĝo" and "danca muziko", or else a hyphenated (mondo-horloĝo) or compound (mondhorloĝo/mondohorloĝo) form.
Traduku.net was wrong in its translation, but then again, automatic translators are seldom high-quality. Even Google Translate is liable to make translation errors, even though it has a lot of money and work behind it.
ailebol (Montri la profilon) 2010-junio-08 20:49:59
I like your explanation of my question.
So, English in the context “English Language” is an adjective.
My son, however, says that in the first example – World Clock is the name of a clock like Shea Stadium is the name of a stadium. Therefore World and Shea are nouns and that the names are proper nouns. Is he correct?
Ailebol
Evildela (Montri la profilon) 2010-junio-08 21:36:22
ailebol:Erinja:But don't forget that 'world' describes clock (thus adjective), what type of clock is it? It’s a 'world' clock, just like you could say that it’s a 'brown' clock.
I like your explanation of my question.
So, English in the context “English Language” is an adjective.
My son, however, says that in the first example – World Clock is the name of a clock like Shea Stadium is the name of a stadium. Therefore World and Shea are nouns and that the names are proper nouns. Is he correct?
Ailebol
Donniedillon (Montri la profilon) 2010-junio-08 23:37:53
erinja (Montri la profilon) 2010-junio-09 00:11:26
Donniedillon:One way to differentiate would be to say "la Mondo Horloĝo". Adding the "la" to the sentence makes it clear that it is not just any world clock but the World Clock.Sorry, but this is wrong too.
In English, when we give something's name and its identity, we often put the name first and then the identity. George Washington University, Shea Stadium, Hudson River, Main Street.
In Esperanto, the convention is either to hyphenate (Washington-Universitato, Shea-stadiono, Hudson-rivero, Main-strato), OR to put the identity first and then the name (Universitato Washington, Stadiono Shea, Rivero Hudson, Strato Main)
The second is more common. The word "la" is unnecessary in any case.
In some languages they like to use quotes for the name (University "George Washington", Stadium "Shea") but that usually only applies to names of institutions.
Donniedillon (Montri la profilon) 2010-junio-09 02:03:36
ceigered (Montri la profilon) 2010-junio-09 04:47:08
erinja:The second is more common.Might just be me, but "Horlogxo Mondo" feels a bit weird to me, given that clocks aren't much of a place you can visit
. So would this still be possible, or is this more a naming convention for things like places of interest over world-time?