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mnlg (プロフィールを表示) 2007年5月18日 9:57:21
richardhall:Is "Li trinkis sian bieron" identical in meaning to "Li trinkis lian bieron"?No. "sia" relates to the subject. "lia" to someone else. Whose beer is it?
Petro salutas Karlon kaj kisas sian edzinon.
Peter greets Carl and kisses his [Peter's] wife.
Petro salutas Karlon kaj kisas lian edzinon.
Peter greets Carl and kisses his [Carl's] wife.
[Karlo koleriĝas].
richardhall (プロフィールを表示) 2007年5月18日 18:59:47
erinja (プロフィールを表示) 2007年5月18日 19:46:00
If these uses of 'sia' are confusing to you, you can sometimes leave them out and use 'la' instead; the "sia" meaning can sometimes be understood from the context. So you could say, for example "Karlo trinkas la bieron" (and it is sort of understood that we are talking about drinking his own beer)
mnlg (プロフィールを表示) 2007年5月18日 21:25:45
richardhall:That makes sense. Thank you. I can see that will remove many of the ambiguities that English makes possible.English does fine by adding "own". "sia" basically means "his own", "its own", "her own". "siaj" is "their own".
So is it wrong to say "Karlo trinkis lian bieron" (assuming that we're talking about the beer that belongs to Karlo), or is it simply less polished?If that's Carl's beer, then that sentence does not convey the correct meaning. It is wrong semantically.
awake (プロフィールを表示) 2007年5月29日 5:18:38
mnlg:Just one point of clarification here. siaj can be "their own" but it can be "his own" or "her own" as well. It's not plural because it refers to a group (ili/they); it would be plural because it must agree with what it modifies.
English does fine by adding "own". "sia" basically means "his own", "its own", "her own". "siaj" is "their own".
Li perdis siajn librojn. = He lost his books. Here sia takes the j ending because it modifies a plural noun and it takes the n ending because it modifies something in the accusative case.