Asking about experience level
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Ubutumwa 31
ururimi: English
Maulrus (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 10 Rusama 2011 06:35:55
3rdblade (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 10 Rusama 2011 08:30:24
Maulrus:Earlier today, I wanted to ask somebody how well they speak Esperanto, and I had no idea how it could be done. Is it something like "Kiel vi parolas Esperanto bene?" (be wary, I haven't completely sorted out my correlatives yet, so that may be wrong in itself), or would proper Esperanto be more along the lines of a translation of "What is your level of Esperanto?"'ben-' is 'bless'; I think you meant 'bone'
Ĉu vi parolas Esperanton bone? (Do you speak Esperanto well?)
Kio vi taksas vian lertecon je Esperanto? (What do you rate your skill at Esperanto? I think we'd say 'how' in English but if we said 'kiel', would it come across as 'By what method do you go about rating your level of Esperanto?' Is that about right?)
ceigered (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 10 Rusama 2011 08:48:35
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There is the option of "kiom bone parolas vi esperanton" I believe. It's something like that at least.
Kiom and kiel are a funny one in that regard. When you say "kiom bona" you're literally saying "how much goodness" (rating it). When you say "kiel bona" you're saying "in what way is it good/describe how good it is/how it is good". Well, those aren't literal translations, but I believe that's the gist of it.
So to sum it up in a really bad (taste) joke about soviet era communism:
A) "Kiom ruĝa estas via ĉapelo?"
B) "Nu, kiam mi estis en la Sovetunio, la specnazo ĉirkaŭis min"
A)"Ho, kial?!"
B) "Ili protektis min ĉar ili kredis ke mi estis ano de Politburo'!"
sudanglo (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 10 Rusama 2011 09:37:13
But Esperantists tend to use the expression 'spertulo' in a very restricted sense to refer to someone as being highly competent in Esperanto. So the question 'Ĉu vi estas spertulo?' becomes something like Do you speak Esperanto well.
Chainy (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 10 Rusama 2011 09:38:46
Maulrus (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 10 Rusama 2011 14:29:10
3rdblade:That would be my Latin education shining through Not even the first time I've made that mistake!Maulrus:Earlier today, I wanted to ask somebody how well they speak Esperanto, and I had no idea how it could be done. Is it something like "Kiel vi parolas Esperanto bene?" (be wary, I haven't completely sorted out my correlatives yet, so that may be wrong in itself), or would proper Esperanto be more along the lines of a translation of "What is your level of Esperanto?"'ben-' is 'bless'; I think you meant 'bone'
Ĉu vi parolas Esperanton bone? (Do you speak Esperanto well?)
Kio vi taksas vian lertecon je Esperanto? (What do you rate your skill at Esperanto? I think we'd say 'how' in English but if we said 'kiel', would it come across as 'By what method do you go about rating your level of Esperanto?' Is that about right?)
And of course I missed "Ĉu vi parolas Esperanton bone?", which is completely within my own experience level.
To my inexperienced eye, "kiom bona" makes the most sense, but a more popular consensus to be "kiel bone". Which makes more sense? Would you use an adverb or an adjective here?
Chainy (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 10 Rusama 2011 16:46:45
Maulrus:To my inexperienced eye, "kiom bona" makes the most sense, but a more popular consensus to be "kiel bone". Which makes more sense? Would you use an adverb or an adjective here?I would say stick with 'Kiel bone vi parolas Esperanton?'. I was reading an essay about this recently - and there it stated that Zamenhof, the creator of the language, would tend to stick with 'kiel' in such a case.
Maybe in some forms of English it's ok to replace an adverb with an adjective, but you should avoid doing that in Esperanto.
qwertz (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 10 Rusama 2011 17:16:38
adrideo (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 10 Rusama 2011 17:26:58
3rdblade:Remember, both 'kia' and 'kiel' can be translated into English as 'how'.
Kio vi taksas vian lertecon je Esperanto? (What do you rate your skill at Esperanto? I think we'd say 'how' in English but if we said 'kiel', would it come across as 'By what method do you go about rating your level of Esperanto?' Is that about right?)
Kia vi taksas vian lertecon je Esperanto?
I've also been asked:
Kiel flue vi parolas?
Which is always a question I hate trying to answer, even after the KER-ekzameno gave me an answer of sorts...
qwertz (Kwerekana umwidondoro) 10 Rusama 2011 17:29:59
adrideo:That's excactly why I wouldn't ask somebody about it's language proficiency.
I've also been asked:
Kiel flue vi parolas?
Which is always a question I hate trying to answer, even after the KER-ekzameno gave me an answer of sorts...