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Biblical question: Alta Kanto 6:8

od cFlat7, 5. septembra 2011

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Jazyk: English

cFlat7 (Zobraziť profil) 5. septembra 2011 20:19:38

In Alta Kanto 6:8 (Song of Songs), we have, "Da reĝinoj ekzistas sesdek, kaj okdeko da kromvirinoj..."

Does anyone know why 'okdek' is given an O ending and 'sesdek' not? The two phrases seem equivalent apart from word order and that the first phrase holds the verb. Is it perhaps optional and the difference is just a matter of poetic style?

geo63 (Zobraziť profil) 5. septembra 2011 21:44:39

I think that it it is the latter case - poetic style. Okdeko is a substantive numeral here, perhaps to show it as a whole or something...

EldanarLambetur (Zobraziť profil) 5. septembra 2011 22:02:33

Doesn't it emphasis like a group of things of the same kind (so yeah, kinda like a whole)? For example:

dekduo = a dozen
deko = a ten (of something)
okdeko = an eighty(?) (of something)

cFlat7 (Zobraziť profil) 6. septembra 2011 0:35:15

This makes sense (what you both have said). I checked the Hebrew and it doesn't appear to be trying to make a distinction. So maybe Mr. Zamenhof was using poetic license or was influenced by the German or Russian translations. Perhaps someone with Hebrew, Russian, or German skills has a further idea.

erinja (Zobraziť profil) 6. septembra 2011 1:36:51

If Zamenhof was trying to treat it like a poem in Esperanto, he may have been trying to fit the Esperanto text to certain meter.

Use of okdeko necessitates use of 'da', so it adds two syllables to that line. Maybe he chose that for rhythmic purposes.

cFlat7 (Zobraziť profil) 6. septembra 2011 13:49:11

erinja:If Zamenhof was trying to treat it like a poem in Esperanto, he may have been trying to fit the Esperanto text to certain meter.

Use of okdeko necessitates use of 'da', so it adds two syllables to that line. Maybe he chose that for rhythmic purposes.
Yes, that makes good sense. Thanks.

Nahor