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Esperanto Civito

de Evildela, 2011-septembro-21

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Evildela (Montri la profilon) 2011-septembro-21 22:51:07

I've been recently reading articles from the Esperanta Civito, found at [url=www.esperantio.net]www.esperantio.net[/url]. I find the topic fascinating and its even compelled me to increase my Esperantic studies, what’s everyone else’s view on the topic?

cFlat7 (Montri la profilon) 2011-septembro-22 00:44:15

Evildela:I've been recently reading articles from the Esperanta Civito, found at [url=www.esperantio.net]www.esperantio.net[/url]. I find the topic fascinating and its even compelled me to increase my Esperantic studies, what’s everyone else’s view on the topic?
http://www.esperantio.net/

erinja (Montri la profilon) 2011-septembro-22 02:09:24

It's a very political question. The Civito behaves as if it were a government representing all of Esperanto speakers, but mainly they represent themselves. They give themselves lofty titles and hold elections, but it's meaningless, as far as I can tell.

There's a discussion of it on this page (I used Google's caching service to get it, because apparently the blog posts have now been removed).

The Civito treats itself in such a lofty and self-important manner that it has inspired parodies online. One is the Esperanta Respubliko, whose "members" give themselves silly titles as a way of mocking the complicated governmental structure of the Civito.

To me the Civito is a bunch of people playing at government. It isn't worth taking seriously, and I basically ignore it. Though it was very humorous when one of the sub-organizations of the Civito declared the editor of Libera Folio to be "Persona non grata" in the Civito, and even sent him a certificate to prove it!

ceigered (Montri la profilon) 2011-septembro-22 15:02:46

That Feminist group persona non grata thing confused me - what exactly happened? Was there any slander about feminist issues?

Because, let's face it, feminism ranges from legitimate calls for equality to the polar opposite of misogyny, so their definition of slander could be anything from a misinformed opinion, to misogyny, to being actually egalitarian.

I'm guessing "misinformed opinion", since I doubt in EOlando you have people who are open misogynists with that bigger soap-box. The feminist group does make me wonder though, since if I assume that, then why would they slander, even though I can't imagine Esperanto feminist groups being particularly volatile...

novatago (Montri la profilon) 2011-septembro-22 15:23:26

It's a sect (in the bad meaning) and works like a sect. If you want to leave them, you must first pay money or... you won't leave rido.gif.

Ĝis, Novatago.

erinja (Montri la profilon) 2011-septembro-22 16:05:57

It wasn't slander about feminist issues. You can read the declaration for yourself but basically FEM was accusing Kalle (the editor of Libera Folio) of bad journalism.

He wrote an article in Libera Folio that was critical of some aspects of the way that FEM was founded. It had to do with the fact that at the same meeting in which FEM was founded, the founders decided to make it a sub-organization of the Civito. Some of the people who would have been among the founders decided to pull out, because they wanted FEM to be fully independent, and not subject to any organization (particularly not to the Civito, because according to the founding document, once your organization has joined, you have to pay a monetary penalty to get out).

This page has a nice summary of a few articles that have appeared in Libera Folio about the topic.

Basically they were accusing him of publishing lies; even if you believe every word they say, the worst you can accuse him of is bad journalism. It had nothing to do with feminism, as far as I understand. One of the "lies" was a typo in the name of their organization (but later corrected it when notified). In one of the articles, a FEM representative said that FEM declared Kalle to be a "persona non grata" becuase they had to defend themselves against "incorrect men" like him.

darkweasel (Montri la profilon) 2011-septembro-22 16:22:00

erinja:once your organization has joined, you have to pay a monetary penalty to get out
... and if I refuse? senkulpa.gif The whole story is probably the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever read, but thanks for the information.

erinja (Montri la profilon) 2011-septembro-22 16:26:45

darkweasel:
erinja:once your organization has joined, you have to pay a monetary penalty to get out
... and if I refuse? senkulpa.gif The whole story is probably the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever read, but thanks for the information.
Then they put you through their court system. And they might convict you!

And then, um..... send you to Esperanto jail! rido.gif

edit: Technically you can't even leave unless the "Esperanto court" has approved your leaving.

darkweasel (Montri la profilon) 2011-septembro-22 16:30:34

erinja:
darkweasel:
erinja:once your organization has joined, you have to pay a monetary penalty to get out
... and if I refuse? senkulpa.gif The whole story is probably the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever read, but thanks for the information.
Then they put you through their court system. And they might convict you!

And then, um..... send you to Esperanto jail! rido.gif
Well, now I know why people see Esperanto as ridiculous. senkulpa.gif

Chainy (Montri la profilon) 2011-septembro-22 17:39:46

There's definitely something very strange about the Esperanta Civito. In the comments at Libera Folio, people often make jokes about it and in particular about the guy that apparently pulls all the strings in the organisation, Georgio Silfer (pseudonym=Valerio ARI).

Vikipedio has some interesting information about both the Esperanta Civito and Georgio Silfer.

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