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The "wether or not" logical connector

de Ilmen, 30 de novembre de 2011

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jkph00 (Mostra el perfil) 24 de gener de 2012 17.16.58

sudanglo:Ĉu pluvos aŭ ne, ni iros.
This seems an elegant translation.

Now in American English we often express it with grim determination: "We're going whether it rains or not." Would that work in Esperanto? "Ni iras cxu pluvas aux ne?"

Dankon ankorauxfoje! rideto.gif

darkweasel (Mostra el perfil) 24 de gener de 2012 18.08.30

jkph00:Now in American English we often express it with grim determination: "We're going whether it rains or not." Would that work in Esperanto? "Ni iras cxu pluvas aux ne?"
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erinja (Mostra el perfil) 24 de gener de 2012 18.22.31

A small point, I'd say "ĉu pluvos aŭ ne" if we're talking about a point in the future.

As in, we are planning to go on Saturday, whether it rains [on Saturday] or not.

We use the present tense for this general situation in English, but future in Esperanto.

If it rains on Sunday, I will stay home. [present tense "rains"]
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Se pluvos dimanĉon, mi restos hejme [future tense "pluvos"]

jkph00 (Mostra el perfil) 24 de gener de 2012 22.26.07

erinja:A small point, I'd say "ĉu pluvos aŭ ne" if we're talking about a point in the future.

As in, we are planning to go on Saturday, whether it rains [on Saturday] or not.

We use the present tense for this general situation in English, but future in Esperanto.

If it rains on Sunday, I will stay home. [present tense "rains"]
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Se pluvos dimanĉon, mi restos hejme [future tense "pluvos"]
A nice point, thank you! How do I include the "come heck or high water" implication of (American) English in that case? Would I perhaps say, "Ni iros certe (aǔ "ja"?) ĉu pluvos aŭ ne?" senkulpa.gif

erinja (Mostra el perfil) 24 de gener de 2012 23.14.04

jkph00:A nice point, thank you! How do I include the "come heck or high water"
There's not such a colorful way to say it in Esperanto okulumo.gif but the word "nepre" is useful in that kind of context. The dictionary defines it as "without fail, definitely, absolutely"

I would render the expression on raining, therefore, as "Ni nepre iros, ĉu pluvos aŭ ne".

TatuLe (Mostra el perfil) 24 de gener de 2012 23.52.39

jkph00:"Ni iros certe (aǔ "ja"?) ĉu pluvos aŭ ne?" senkulpa.gif
If I wanted say it very strongly I would say "Ni iros, eĉ se pluvegos." or, if it isn't about rain, "Ni nepre iros, kio ajn okazu."

erinja (Mostra el perfil) 25 de gener de 2012 19.12.48

But the expression, "Come hell or high water" is an idiomatic way of saying, no matter what happens, nothing will stop me from doing whatever it is I'm talking about -- going, in this case. It doesn't really have anything to do with a lot of rain versus a little rain.

jkph00 (Mostra el perfil) 25 de gener de 2012 20.11.34

erinja:
jkph00:A nice point, thank you! How do I include the "come heck or high water"
I would render the expression on raining, therefore, as "Ni nepre iros, ĉu pluvos aŭ ne".
That's a wonderful new addition to my vocabulary. It will be very useful when I yell at my teenagers about getting the chores done. Dankon! rideto.gif

jkph00 (Mostra el perfil) 25 de gener de 2012 20.14.48

TatuLe:
jkph00:"Ni iros certe (aǔ "ja"?) ĉu pluvos aŭ ne?" senkulpa.gif
If I wanted say it very strongly I would say "Ni iros, eĉ se pluvegos." or, if it isn't about rain, "Ni nepre iros, kio ajn okazu."
I love it! I can use that one a million times a week! We have six boys and a girl, you see. okulumo.gif

Altebrilas (Mostra el perfil) 25 de gener de 2012 22.46.45

In french, it would be "Nous y allons, qu'il pleuve ou non" (colloquially "on y va, qu'il pleuve ou non")

In esperanto, why not simply:
Ni iros, se pluvas aux ne

Another possibility:
Ni iros cxiukaze

It seems to me also possible to add "-ajn"
Ni iros, cxu-ajn pluvos aux ne, kiel-ajn veteros

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