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Is it acceptable to build a conlang based on Esperanto?

de Zvoc47, 2016-januaro-09

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thyrolf (Montri la profilon) 2016-aprilo-03 09:57:24

Answering the starting question from my side: Of course it is acceptable to build a new conlang. But for myself, i had a look upon a lot of other ones, f.e. interlingua, but also to some exotic ones, f.e. lojban, glosa, toki pona, and also to things as "simplified english", which tries to avoid "idomatic expressions". On the other hand I tried a lot of changes in Esperanto itself, f.e. using -ul- for maskuline, analog to -in- for feminine and ge- for both sexes (belulo, belino, gebeloj) and so on.

But in the end I always came back to Esperanto as it is. In my nowadays opinion it is better and a lot more useful to profund study Esperanto's abilities to express nuances of meanings, as to do a lot of changes. And studying them is a thing really worth while. The more I think and read, the more I find how great is the flexibility of Esperanto. Eĉ considering the deficits and clumsies of it.

(At the moment I explore for example Arcaicam Esperantom (funny) and the language Neo of Alfandari, which contains some astonishing aspects.)

Miland (Montri la profilon) 2016-aprilo-03 11:09:29

Zvoc47:..my video game..the main language..will be my conlang..you learn the language to get good marks and bonuses in the game.
Have you actually had any takers for your idea? To start playing many games at beginner's level takes perhaps an hour for a lesson on the basic moves. I'm thinking of chess and Go. But learning a language is another matter. How many people do you know who would be willing to spend dozens of hours doing so, just to be able to begin playing a video game?

Altebrilas (Montri la profilon) 2016-aprilo-03 12:36:02

Why making Esperanto-based conlangs would not have, in Esperanto movement, a status comparable to writing poetry? It is in both cases a matter of expressing one’s creativity: on one hand with words, on the other with grammar rules. As long as the conlanger does not want other people to use his language, where is the problem? I would not like to have to write my official letters in verse, but I don’t dislike to read poetry from time to time.

erinja (Montri la profilon) 2016-aprilo-03 14:18:14

Altebrilas:Why making Esperanto-based conlangs would not have, in Esperanto movement, a status comparable to writing poetry?
Lots of people make Esperanto-based conlangs, or they take Esperanto words and incorporate it into their own conlang. In most cases people don't have a problem with it. It only becomes a problem when someone starts to promote this as Esperanto (rather than as something else), or to encourage Esperanto speakers to learn this "improved" Esperanto, or to annoy Esperanto speakers by insisting on speaking their own modified Esperanto rather than ordinary Esperanto.

To use your poetry analogy, I would say that it's the difference between making up your own fractured English for poetic purposes, and sharing it and enjoying it with your local poetry society - and making up your own fractured English and then insisting on speaking this fractured English in normal conversation with people who have nothing to do with your local poetry club, including with English beginners who aren't experienced enough to distinguish between normal English and your modified English.

The fractured English/modified Esperanto - it's irrelevant in itself, it's what you do with it that people care (or don't care) about.

Altebrilas (Montri la profilon) 2016-aprilo-03 16:58:30

I totally agree with you, Erinja.

With local conlang clubs ("konlingvaj" (?) asocioj) in the movement, it would be perfect and that would stop endless unproductive debates and let everyone live in peace in esperanto community.

erinja (Montri la profilon) 2016-aprilo-03 17:06:42

I've never heard of a conlang club in Esperanto.

But the OP's best bet is to find a different forum to discuss his ideas. I suggested Unilang much earlier in this thread but there might be an internet forum specifically devoted to conlangs, where the poster can find some like-minded people to discuss his ideas with. A forum on a website dedicated to teaching ordinary Esperanto is not really the place for discussing the details of a new conlang intended for use with a game.

thyrolf (Montri la profilon) 2016-aprilo-03 19:56:48

robbkvasnak (Montri la profilon) 2016-aprilo-03 21:14:44

Here is the recipe for a successful conlang:

Spend about 20 years of your life using your new conlang to translate various texts
Publish your new conlang for free in various ways - try a textbook in Russian, for example, and send the textbook to Russian language bookstores for free
Offer the speakers of the new conlang to change it if they agree
About 18 years after you have published your first free textbooks, arrange a world congress in a small town, for example Boulogne-sur-Mer
Then wait for about 129 years while people perfect and expand your new conlang - translating texts, writing original works, publishing small newspapers, journals, etc.
After the first 129 years you will have some idea of how successful your project has been.
For examples of projects that were not so successful I recommend looking at projects that tried to "improve" one conlang, e.g. Esperanto: Ido Interlingua......
Good luck! Let's talk about your experience in the year 2145. If it has been as successful as Esperanto in 2016, then you will know that it was a job well done!

erinja (Montri la profilon) 2016-aprilo-03 22:24:14

robbkvasnak:Here is the recipe for a successful conlang...
This is not really fair. I don't have a problem with someone doing a conlang for fun. It is no more a waste of time and no more harmful than any number of other hobbies that people enjoy. To me, a conlang is a success if you enjoyed working on it and sharing your work with other like-minded people.

Having said this - like-minded people are the key. This isn't really the appropriate forum for this particular conlang to be discussed, but thyrolf has helpfully provided a list of appropriate forums, and I hope the OP will take advantage of one of them and have a wonderful time with his language!

Zvoc47 (Montri la profilon) 2016-aprilo-03 23:00:56

Alright. I've created an account on one of the conlang forums and started the discussion there. I'll be on the Lernu forum when I'll need help with Esperanto.

Just to say, this language would be just the fandom's thing and my friends'. Maybe someone will make it better if they're a hardcore fan. Who knows? There is a little team of hardcore gamers who have exploited a software glitch in Super Mario World and reprogrammed it to play their own homebrew game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB6eY73sLV0 . Who knows what kind of fan fiction in my language people will write?

I think this topic is closed as I've got information I need. I'm sorry if I hurt anyone. I will do what I believe is right.

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