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nornen (Montri la profilon) 2016-aprilo-04 04:45:04
Vestitor:Pray explain why someone wouldn't be free to create a language derived from Esperanto?nornen:Indeed, under the protection of the 'so-open-minded-its-brain-fell-out' unit, everyone is free to do anything.
Get away with what? And more importantly: get away from whom?
Just do it. I am positive that the Esperanto SWAT unit will not raid your house the moment you publish your ideas.
Also congratulations on expressing an argumentum ad personam, an argumentum secundum quid and a non sequitur in a single sentence. You should consider a political career, or you could consider publishing some derivative work on "Eristische Dialektik" by Schopenhauer.
thyrolf (Montri la profilon) 2016-aprilo-04 07:05:38
Alkanadi (Montri la profilon) 2016-aprilo-04 07:39:57
erinja:In most cases people don't have a problem with it. It only becomes a problem when someone starts to promote this as Esperanto (rather than as something else), or to encourage Esperanto speakers to learn this "improved" Esperanto, or to annoy Esperanto speakers by insisting on speaking their own modified Esperanto rather than ordinary Esperanto.My biggest fear is that I would spend 10 years learning Esperanto and then it breaks up into dialects.
My biggest comfort is in the fact that there is already a huge body of literature written in proper Esperanto. I think we have passed the point of no-return for tweaking the language.
Altebrilas (Montri la profilon) 2016-aprilo-04 08:49:26
Alkanadi:Are you sure that "proper esperanto" really exists? What is the standard? Fundamento? PAG? PMEG? It is mostly a matter of subjectivity to judge whether a text is in proper esperanto or not.
My biggest comfort is in the fact that there is already a huge body of literature written in proper Esperanto. I think we have passed the point of no-return for tweaking the language.
Alkanadi (Montri la profilon) 2016-aprilo-04 08:53:33
robbkvasnak:Here is the recipe for a successful conlangOr you can be a hollywood producer and promote that way.
Also, you forgot something in the recipe. There has to be a way of keeping the language standardised because so many people will whine and complain about things they don't like about it.
Alkanadi (Montri la profilon) 2016-aprilo-04 08:55:57
Altebrilas:Are you sure that "proper esperanto" really exists? What is the standard?I was thinking about the tekstaro and the body of early literature.
But, pmeg and others certainly add to the consistency.
novatago (Montri la profilon) 2016-aprilo-04 14:30:21
Altebrilas:Are you sure that "proper esperanto" really exists? What is the standard? Fundamento? PAG? PMEG? It is mostly a matter of subjectivity to judge whether a text is in proper esperanto or not.You are misunderstanding something. PAG and PMEG explain some things differently but both are based in the Fundamento and they are not changing anything of it. Indeed different explanations of things about the use of the language is a problem (not big as the things actually are today), although I would say that PMEG is the one most followed nowadays, but Esperanto can not exist without the Fundamento or changing things of it. I insist about it. Esperanto just doesn't makes senses if the Fundamento is changed and it falls into the dialects.
Don't mix ideas. It's evident that everyone it's going to express things in a different way, but that doesn't make Esperanto to fall into dialects because people is learning the same basic things with the same meanings, and of course almost everyone is going to make mistakes, some times often, some times rarely, but errors are errors, not features, like in windows. The problem is to teach and learn basic grammars that changes the Fundamento because that changes the meaning of things creating dialects. And dialects are the opposite of the idea of Esperanto. You are not agree? well, Zamenhof had that idea, and he is not agree with you. And I and most of the people until now, decided to learn Esperanto because of that idea, because it not makes sense to create an international language to make the communication easier and then let it fall just in the opposite way to make communication the same difficult as it was before Esperanto.
You just mix ideas that should not be mixed. Esperanto works even if you can criticize a lot about the way people have used it and is using it.
Ĝis, Novatago.
erinja (Montri la profilon) 2016-aprilo-04 16:37:38
bartlett22183 (Montri la profilon) 2016-aprilo-04 16:47:39
erinja:...Go to Brown University listserv and check out the CONLANG and AUXLANG (old-fashioned) mailing lists. (Be aware that the web interface tends to be quite slow compared to the turnaround of messages.) CONLANG is for constructed languages generally without concentration on auxiliary languages. (Discussions of which are no longer entirely welcome on CONLANG.) AUXLANG is specifically for auxiliary languages, mostly constructed, although awareness of "natlangs" as auxiliary languages is also sometimes present. Volume of messages on both groups varies. (Disclosure: I am the listowner of AUXLANG.)
But the OP's best bet is to find a different forum to discuss his ideas. I suggested Unilang much earlier in this thread but there might be an internet forum specifically devoted to conlangs, where the poster can find some like-minded people to discuss his ideas with. A forum on a website dedicated to teaching ordinary Esperanto is not really the place for discussing the details of a new conlang intended for use with a game.
Vestitor (Montri la profilon) 2016-aprilo-04 20:51:07
nornen:Congratulations on producing an impressive piece of pseudo-intellectual waffle designed to baffle me, but which doesn't.
Pray explain why someone wouldn't be free to create a language derived from Esperanto?
Also congratulations on expressing an argumentum ad personam, an argumentum secundum quid and a non sequitur in a single sentence. You should consider a political career, or you could consider publishing some derivative work on "Eristische Dialektik" by Schopenhauer.