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Posessive adjectives (e.g. Bob's)

از Zvoc47, 2 مارس 2016

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Zvoc47 (نمایش مشخصات) 2 مارس 2016،‏ 21:51:42

I cannot find information in the basic grammar about posessive adjectives. The complex grammar is only in Esperanto so I cannot really understand what it says there. I've been clicking on the words and some didn't show up any meaning. I don't understand how to build words like "Bob's", "Ana's", "Luke's", etc..

How is this done in Esperanto?

jennazenna (نمایش مشخصات) 2 مارس 2016،‏ 22:06:31

Zvoc47:I cannot find information in the basic grammar about posessive adjectives. The complex grammar is only in Esperanto so I cannot really understand what it says there. I've been clicking on the words and some didn't show up any meaning. I don't understand how to build words like "Bob's", "Ana's", "Luke's", etc..

How is this done in Esperanto?
you can try this link

http://en.lernu.net/lernado/gramatiko/konciza/geni...

erinja (نمایش مشخصات) 2 مارس 2016،‏ 22:43:35

Short answer - there's no suffix form like 's. You have to say de Bob, de Ana, etc.

la domo de Bob = Bob's house

Correlatives do have a possessive form.

someone = iu
someone's = ies

who = kiu
whose = kies

that one, that person = tiu
that one's, that person's = ties

....but you can't put that -es ending on ordinary words, it works only within the correlatives table. You can read about correlatives in the concise grammar as well.

eshapard (نمایش مشخصات) 2 مارس 2016،‏ 22:53:06

One more to add...

The adjective form of a pronoun is its possessive form.

Mi = I; mia = my ; mia onklo = my uncle
li = He; lia = his ; lia hundo = his dog
etc.

Vestitor (نمایش مشخصات) 3 مارس 2016،‏ 0:10:17

I have to say I found this annoying initially and I think the possessive 's', as in English, is very useful. However the form used by Esperanto is seen in other languages.

The possessive 's' has made inroads into other languages where it wasn't there before. The original manner of showing this sort of possession in Dutch was:

Dit is Peter z'n boek = This is Peter his book = This is Peter's book. Or: Anna haar vader is er = Anna her father is here = Anna's father is here.

It's different than: De vader van Anna (the father of Anna).

More and more this form seems to be being superseded by the possessive 's' form.

sergejm (نمایش مشخصات) 3 مارس 2016،‏ 5:39:22

"at Peter's home" can be shorten to "ĉe Petro hejme" or simple "ĉe Petro"
"to Peter's home" = "al Petro hejmen" = "al Petro"
In Russian you can use adjeсtives "Петин", "Анин" (not for any name) or sometimes "у Петра", "у Анны".

Alkanadi (نمایش مشخصات) 3 مارس 2016،‏ 6:27:16

In Esperanto, they don't say Bob's house or Bob's car. It should be the house of Bob. The car of Bob.

La domo de Bob.
La aŭto de Bob.

Vestitor (نمایش مشخصات) 3 مارس 2016،‏ 11:14:29

sergejm:"at Peter's home" can be shorten to "ĉe Petro hejme" or simple "ĉe Petro"
"to Peter's home" = "al Petro hejmen" = "al Petro"
See now, I wouldn't have guessed this. Maybe ĉe Petro hejme, but not that the others are also referring to his house or place.

erinja (نمایش مشخصات) 3 مارس 2016،‏ 14:08:22

Vestitor:
sergejm:"at Peter's home" can be shorten to "ĉe Petro hejme" or simple "ĉe Petro"
"to Peter's home" = "al Petro hejmen" = "al Petro"
See now, I wouldn't have guessed this. Maybe ĉe Petro hejme, but not that the others are also referring to his house or place.
I have never seen the usage of "al Petro hejmen or "ĉe Petro hejme". Ever. But people do say, for example, "Mi manĝos ĉe Petro", "I am going to eat at Peter['s house]".

yyaann (نمایش مشخصات) 3 مارس 2016،‏ 19:13:01

I have sometimes seen proper names with adjective ending added to them to sort of make up for the lack of genitive case.

La Bob-a domo -> Bob's house
La Peter-a libro -> Peter's book
La Anna-a patro -> Anna's father

That's not the usual usage though and I wouldn't recommend it as your default way to indicate possession. Still, I don't think there is any grammar rule that prevents it.

When nouns, not names, are used it normally doesn't sound unusual.

La hodiaŭa leciono -> Today's lesson

But sometimes it can be ambiguous:

La doma kameno -> The house's fireplace? The domestic fireplace?

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