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I found his a theif

de Alkanadi, 26 mai 2016

Messages : 20

Langue: English

bryku (Voir le profil) 26 mai 2016 21:21:51

Fenris_kcf:
Alkanadi:Mi trovis lin ŝtelisto
I didn't know that this is valid Esperanto. To be honest i still doubt it is. It seems way too idiomatic for my taste. I wouldn't understand it.
And what about that: "Mi faris lin bona knabo". It is the same kind of sentence.

Vestitor (Voir le profil) 26 mai 2016 21:39:34

bryku:
Fenris_kcf:
Alkanadi:Mi trovis lin ŝtelisto
I didn't know that this is valid Esperanto. To be honest i still doubt it is. It seems way too idiomatic for my taste. I wouldn't understand it.
And what about that: "Mi faris lin bona knabo". It is the same kind of sentence.
Is it though? The adjective makes it clearer.

erinja (Voir le profil) 26 mai 2016 21:39:42

This kind of construction would be called a "perverba priskribo" in PMEG.

sudanglo (Voir le profil) 27 mai 2016 12:09:10

'Mi trovis lin ŝtelisto' can't mean mi trovis ŝteliston because ŝtelisto is in the nominative and therefore can't be the direct object of trovi.

In 'I found the dog a bone' the translation must be mi trovis oston because the bone is the object of trovi.

Then the only question is the preposition to be used in front of la hundo, and 'por' is perfectly satisfactory. Esperanto does not permit mi trovis la hundon oston.

Fenris_kcf (Voir le profil) 27 mai 2016 12:39:29

According to PMEG it is correct, but i agree with sudanglo.

Miland (Voir le profil) 27 mai 2016 13:07:29

In this kind of expression there is an implicit esti, "to be": mi trovis lin (esti) ŝtelisto ("I found him (to be) a thief" ).

Alkanadi (Voir le profil) 29 mai 2016 07:02:30

erinja:Your sentence about the thief has omitted the word "esti"....
It isn't my sentence. This is Kellerman again. I think the sentence needs clarity like you said.

Alkanadi (Voir le profil) 29 mai 2016 07:05:07

Vestitor:The sentence should be easy to fathom because the same element 'to be' (or esti as it is here) is routinely dropped in English in everyday speech and sometimes in writing.

I found him (to be) a thief.
I found him a thief --> I found a thief for him.
I found out that he was a thief --> He is a thief.

Alkanadi (Voir le profil) 29 mai 2016 07:07:40

Fenris_kcf:
Alkanadi:Mi trovis lin ŝtelisto
I didn't know that this is valid Esperanto. To be honest i still doubt it is. It seems way too idiomatic for my taste. I wouldn't understand it.
It is from the Kellerman text.

erinja (Voir le profil) 29 mai 2016 10:26:44

Alkanadi:
erinja:Your sentence about the thief has omitted the word "esti"....
It isn't my sentence. This is Kellerman again. I think the sentence needs clarity like you said.
I didn't say it was wrong. I said that if you read it as having a missing word, the meaning is clearer. The sentence has done something that is not uncommon in Esperanto, and is allowed. Hence my reference to PMEG, which even has a technical term for what was done in the sentence.

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