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ceigered (프로필 보기) 2008년 12월 2일 오전 5:17:19
I've found that in Esperanto there is the infamous 'one letter one sound' system, however, I've heard variations of the vowels.
Specifically, i often sounds like the 'ee' 'keep' but also like the 'i' in 'sit'.
Now, in words like 'lingvo', the second, 'short' i (Near-close near-front unrounded vowel, wiki-it
) is probably acceptable because, due to nasalisation and the nature of the closed syllable it's in, it is very hard not to pronounce the 'i' like that for many speakers. But, in other cases, like 'internacia' (which I've heard pronounced 'internacja, with the stress on the 'nac' and not the 'ciiiiia'), what is the general consensus? I'm mostly concerned about comprehension and the risk of reducing the 'i' to a schwa or losing it all together. 
mnlg (프로필 보기) 2008년 12월 2일 오전 8:33:05
It seems only natural that you are using and [i:] for short and long (stressed) vowels since that's what English has. I use and [i:] for the same reason, that is, that's what Italian has. I have been taught that is the correct phoneme for the letter "i", but again, by using , and as long as it sounds far enough from [e], you won't change the meaning of the word; you will at most be considered to have an accent by speakers coming from other languages.
ceigered (프로필 보기) 2008년 12월 3일 오전 5:49:26
Grandan dankon!
orthohawk (프로필 보기) 2008년 12월 5일 오전 3:11:50
Momomomomo:There are only 5 vowel sounds but "tiuj" is pronounced "tee-OO-i" with a short i on the end.Actually, "tiuj" should be pronounced "TEE-oo-i" since the "j" is a consonant, thus the next-to-last vowel is "i".
ceigered (프로필 보기) 2008년 12월 5일 오전 10:44:59
Iĉo:I have a great pic somewhere that says "I can't brain today. I have the dumb".I'm sure I've got that too somewhere, damn I'll have to look for it.
I'd say that the man who pronounced Internacia as Internacja probably slipped up by accident - maybe he studied Russian at one point (same stress I believe).
I see what you mean by phoneme, but I guess 'I' would still need to be /i:/ when stressed otherwise it would sound too much like a schwa or E.
69UM24OSU12 (프로필 보기) 2008년 12월 6일 오전 12:29:45
orthohawk:It seems to me that in Esperanto "j" could be considered at times a vowel and at times a consonant, just like "y" in English. In the word "jes" it's definitely a consonant but the "-aj" and "-oj" endings are vowel dipthongs. In "tiuj," it's not in a dipthong, but it still seems more of a vowel sound than a consonant.Momomomomo:There are only 5 vowel sounds but "tiuj" is pronounced "tee-OO-i" with a short i on the end.Actually, "tiuj" should be pronounced "TEE-oo-i" since the "j" is a consonant, thus the next-to-last vowel is "i".
mnlg (프로필 보기) 2008년 12월 6일 오전 1:15:28
69UM24OSU12:It seems to me that in Esperanto "j" could be considered at times a vowel and at times a consonant, just like "y" in English.No, it's always a semi-vowel, or semi-consonant. A vocalic sound that behaves like a consonant.
In the word "jes" it's definitely a consonant but the "-aj" and "-oj" endings are vowel dipthongs.A diphthong is usually composed by a vowel and a semi-vowel.
In "tiuj," it's not in a dipthong, but it still seems more of a vowel sound than a consonant.On the contrary, it is a diphthong. I think it resembles the sound of "Louis" in English.
erinja (프로필 보기) 2008년 12월 6일 오전 2:30:47
mnlg:On the contrary, it is a diphthong. I think it resembles the sound of "Louis" in English.That'd be the French "Louis" presumably, not the English pronunciation that can also be written Lewis.
In any case, tiuj should be two syllables. TEE-ooy.
I can't speak for the rest of the English-speaking world but Americans are usually aware of the Spanish word "muy". It's one syllable; it's not "moo-ey", but "mooy". It's the same with tiuj. The uj in tiuj is just like the uy in "muy".