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How to talk about possession?

de Chip, 17 de dezembro de 2009

Mensagens: 27

Idioma: English

Chip (Mostrar o perfil) 17 de dezembro de 2009 09:27:04

It's a simple question, but the only thing I can't really find(thus far). To say something is hers, I could say Sxia. But what if I want to say it's 'that woman's' or 'Mia's' or something to that effect?

Roberto12 (Mostrar o perfil) 17 de dezembro de 2009 10:37:42

You can use de, e.g. "it's that woman's" = gxi estas de tiu virino.

And sometimes you might need a pronoun, e.g. "I like that woman's (things)" = mi sxatas ilin de tiu virino.

It's a shame that Esperanto doesn't have a genitive form for nouns like English does.

Rogir (Mostrar o perfil) 17 de dezembro de 2009 14:48:54

mi ŝatas ilin de tiu virino
I wouldn't understand that. It's better to say mi ŝatas la aĵojn de tiu virino.

Scalex (Mostrar o perfil) 17 de dezembro de 2009 14:58:29

I don't see what's wrong with "sxia". Context will usually make it clear who "sxia" refers to. A more specific example would make the problem you're having more clear.

If you want to avoid sxia, then rogir's solution is perfectly correct.

erinja (Mostrar o perfil) 17 de dezembro de 2009 15:06:49

I think we are talking mainly about cases when "ŝia" doesn't work. Like, if there are many women in a room, and only Mary has a cat, so we want to say that the cat is Mary's. We can't say "ŝia" because it isn't specific enough. So we say instead "la kato estas de Mary"

Leporino (Mostrar o perfil) 18 de dezembro de 2009 16:12:05

Take a look at this by lernu!:
Go to:Learning - Grammar - Concise grammar - Introduction - Grammatical terms - Possession

Amike,
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darkweasel (Mostrar o perfil) 19 de dezembro de 2009 12:43:33

Rogir:
mi ŝatas ilin de tiu virino
I wouldn't understand that. It's better to say mi ŝatas la aĵojn de tiu virino.
How about "mi ŝatas tiujn de tiu virino"?

Eddycgn (Mostrar o perfil) 19 de dezembro de 2009 13:28:24

Roberto12:You can use de, e.g. "it's that woman's" = gxi estas de tiu virino.

And sometimes you might need a pronoun, e.g. "I like that woman's (things)" = mi sxatas ilin de tiu virino.

It's a shame that Esperanto doesn't have a genitive form for nouns like English does.
I am glad that many languages dropped genitive, totally superfluous. The trend from antique language forms during centuries is that cases disappear. Bedaŭrinde tro malrapide.
See chinese, more than 3000 years old, italian and spanish through latin.
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Oŝo-Jabe (Mostrar o perfil) 19 de dezembro de 2009 20:17:28

Roberto12:And sometimes you might need a pronoun, e.g. "I like that woman's (things)" = mi ŝatas ilin de tiu virino.
Mi ŝatas la posedaĵojn de tiu virino.

I think I read somewhere that if you're going to use a possessive "de"-phrase you have to have "la." (So I don't think just "ilin" or "tiujn" would be correct.)

white knight:
Chip:It's a simple question, but the only thing I can't really find(thus far). To say something is hers, I could say Ŝia. But what if I want to say it's 'that woman's' or 'Mia's' or something to that effect?
What about: "ĝi apartenas al tiu virino" or
"Ĝi apartenas al mi." ?
That's what I would go with if that was all you wanted the sentence to say. "Ĝi estas de tiu virino" is also correct but I prefer the ones with "apartenas" for some reason.

astroly (Mostrar o perfil) 19 de dezembro de 2009 22:18:02

It's a shame that Esperanto doesn't have a genitive form for nouns like English does.
Possessive form of the demonstrative pronoun.

Tiu ----- ties = that one´s
Tiu ĉi -- ĉi ties = this one´s

Mi iris al TIES domo
I went to that one´s house

ĈI TIES filoj estas junaj
This person´s sons are young.

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