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fari (make) vs fari (do)

של tiberius, 26 באוגוסט 2004

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שפה: English

mnlg (הצגת פרופיל) 10 במאי 2007, 14:59:36

erinja:I think so, but an adverb can take an object ("uzante ĝin") and no one really seems to complain about that.
That's an adverbial participle, and of course I find it natural too, but would you say "uze ĝin"?

Yesterday one of my students asked me how to translate a certain saying (a proposito) and I checked the dictionary to be sure. It said "rilate tion", "koncerne tion". I was puzzled at first because I am not used at all to see direct objects right after adverbs. It makes sense, of course, but still...

erinja (הצגת פרופיל) 10 במאי 2007, 15:26:29

mnlg:That's an adverbial participle, and of course I find it natural too, but would you say "uze ĝin"?
No, I wouldn't. It's correct though, obviously.
Yesterday one of my students asked me how to translate a certain saying (a proposito) and I checked the dictionary to be sure. It said "rilate tion", "koncerne tion". I was puzzled at first because I am not used at all to see direct objects right after adverbs. It makes sense, of course, but still...
I hear forms like that from time to time. I am personally more likely to say "rilate al tio". I might use "koncerne tion", simply because I don't like the sound of koncerne + al so I wouldn't use that either.

mnlg (הצגת פרופיל) 10 במאי 2007, 16:12:49

erinja:
mnlg:would you say "uze ĝin"?
No, I wouldn't. It's correct though, obviously.
So you see, people *do* complain about object following adverbs, at least after a fashion ridulo.gif
("rilate tion", "koncerne tion")
I might use "koncerne tion", simply because I don't like the sound of koncerne + al so I wouldn't use that either.
I didn't really mean to make it a matter of personal preference (I have no problem with that), more like a consideration on the existence of such forms... I tried to summon any other occurrence of adverb + object but I couldn't recall any.

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