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Help with pronunciation of "oŭ"

viết bởi Rejsi, Ngày 28 tháng 5 năm 2013

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Vilinilo (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 23:40:53 Ngày 31 tháng 5 năm 2013

Kirilo81:
There is no such ban in the Fundamento, just a rule to use ŭ after vowels only.
Thanks for the tip. But even though there's such a rule, it's still used before a vowell in the name of the letter itself, ŭo. I never understood why purposely limiting the usage of ŭ, I can easily pronounce ŭa, ŭe, ŭi, ŭo and even ŭu. Could it be a linguistic prejudice from Mr. Zamenhof?

marcuscf (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 03:44:14 Ngày 01 tháng 6 năm 2013

According to this PDF (last line of page 135), it seems that Zamenhof did not like «ŭa» much. But he didn't dislike it so much as to introduce an irregularity, so he did include ŭo as the name of the letter, but didn't create any other words with that combination. I don't think we need to be too strict against ŭa, ŭo, oŭ etc. in proper names, culture-specific words and some other things, just don't go overboard changing basic words akvo to akŭo, etc... That would certainly be kontraŭfundamenta.

etala (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 06:27:19 Ngày 01 tháng 6 năm 2013

Vilinilo:
Kirilo81:
There is no such ban in the Fundamento, just a rule to use ŭ after vowels only.
Thanks for the tip. But even though there's such a rule, it's still used before a vowell in the name of the letter itself, ŭo. I never understood why purposely limiting the usage of ŭ, I can easily pronounce ŭa, ŭe, ŭi, ŭo and even ŭu. Could it be a linguistic prejudice from Mr. Zamenhof?
I just chalked it up to the tendency of two influential groups in the beginning of Esperanto, Russians and Germans, to avoid the sound of "ŭ" at the beginning of a syllable.

Vilinilo (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 17:36:07 Ngày 01 tháng 6 năm 2013

etala:
I just chalked it up to the tendency of two influential groups in the beginning of Esperanto, Russians and Germans, to avoid the sound of "ŭ" at the beginning of a syllable.
On the other hand, to me (and I believe that values for other speakers of latin languages as well) it's a lot easier to say "akŭo" than "akvo".

jchthys (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 15:27:05 Ngày 04 tháng 6 năm 2013

Vilinilo:
etala:
I just chalked it up to the tendency of two influential groups in the beginning of Esperanto, Russians and Germans, to avoid the sound of "ŭ" at the beginning of a syllable.
On the other hand, to me (and I believe that values for other speakers of latin languages as well) it's a lot easier to say "akŭo" than "akvo".
…meaning it would be all the worse to introduce minimal pairs with v/ŭ.

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