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Question about "Kialo" and other correlatives

של rann, 30 בינואר 2016

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שפה: English

rann (הצגת פרופיל) 30 בינואר 2016, 05:40:55

One can make "kial" into a noun and make "kialo" meaning "reason". If one can do that for "kial", why not other "ki-" correlatives? "kiamo" for time, "kielo" for a manner. Or am I viewing the construction completely wrong?

Also I know Zamenhoff also used "tialo" for "reason", does mean anything different from "kialo"?

Fenris_kcf (הצגת פרופיל) 30 בינואר 2016, 09:17:57

IMO you can use words like "kiamo", but i would suggest to avoid it. Though i often see people use "kialo", i never you it.

opalo (הצגת פרופיל) 30 בינואר 2016, 10:26:20

Yes. you can do that. You will sometimes encounter, in English, expressions like "the where and the when of it", and in Esperanto this could be translated as la kieo kaj la kiamo de la afero. This vividly expresses the idea that both are urgently in question. Normally though it's easier just to say loko kaj tempo.

Kialo is the only one which is used often, perhaps because people hesitate to use kaŭzo for motivo. Early Esperantists sometimes used tialo. I feel that the word tiala implies that the explanation has already been given, e.g. Li akiris novan hundidon kaj tialajn devojn.

rann (הצגת פרופיל) 30 בינואר 2016, 14:45:39

opalo:Yes. you can do that. You will sometimes encounter, in English, expressions like "the where and the when of it", and in Esperanto this could be translated as la kieo kaj la kiamo de la afero. This vividly expresses the idea that both are urgently in question. Normally though it's easier just to say loko kaj tempo.

Kialo is the only one which is used often, perhaps because people hesitate to use kaŭzo for motivo. Early Esperantists sometimes used tialo. I feel that the word tiala implies that the explanation has already been given, e.g. Li akiris novan hundidon kaj tialajn devojn.
Does "kaŭzo" and "kialo" mean the exact same thing?

Also thanks, for your imputs, opalo and Fenris ridulo.gif.

bartlett22183 (הצגת פרופיל) 30 בינואר 2016, 19:44:21

I have come across 'kialo' numerous times, but only rarely 'kiamo'.

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