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Sinanthiel, 2008 m. gruodis 10 d.

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Sinanthiel (Rodyti profilį) 2008 m. gruodis 10 d. 10:56:59

I was wondering if someone could translate something into Esperanto for me... I can't speak Esperanto well enough to confidently translate it myself... This is what I wanted translated:

Human beings who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.

mnlg (Rodyti profilį) 2008 m. gruodis 10 d. 11:22:31

This is how I would render it; feel free to get a second opinion okulumo.gif

Tiuj homoj kiuj preskaŭ unikas je ilia kapablo lerni el aliula(j) sperto(j), ankaŭ rimarkeblas pro ilia ŝajna manko de emo je tio.

Miland (Rodyti profilį) 2008 m. gruodis 10 d. 11:38:50

Another suggestion - this one interprets 'unique' as meaning that humans as a whole are unique among animals.

Homoj, kiuj estas preskaŭ unikaj pro ilia kapableco lerni de la sperto de aliaj, ankaŭ estas rimarkindaj pro ilia malemo fari tion.

mnlg (Rodyti profilį) 2008 m. gruodis 10 d. 11:42:52

Miland: good call, I missed that nuance. Thanks.

Sinanthiel (Rodyti profilį) 2008 m. gruodis 10 d. 11:51:22

Thanks guys! I appreciate the help! ridulo.gif

Rogir (Rodyti profilį) 2008 m. gruodis 10 d. 13:31:54

I think Miland's translation is the best one.

mnlg (Rodyti profilį) 2008 m. gruodis 10 d. 14:51:04

With the possible exception of "malemo", a word I tend to avoid (it could be read as "a tendency for the opposite"), I prefer neemo or manko de emo.

Miland (Rodyti profilį) 2008 m. gruodis 10 d. 16:00:44

mnlg:I prefer neemo or manko de emo.
I considered these alternatives, but most uses of mal seem to me to contrast the presence of something with its absence - emo, in this case. Also 'disinclined' in this context seemed to me to include inner resistance to learning and change, which ne-emo might not convey.

mnlg (Rodyti profilį) 2008 m. gruodis 10 d. 16:20:14

My take of mal is that it contrasts something with its opposite, and not with its absence.

Also, for absence of inclination I hardly see mal; "mi ne ŝatas", "mi ne certas", "mi ne volas". I have used "mi ne emas" a lot. I can't remember one time when I said "mi malemas". I think that "neemo" shows indifference or apathy, while "malemo" is better suited to express fierce opposition. But in that case, perhaps "kontraŭi" is a more natural choice.

Miland (Rodyti profilį) 2008 m. gruodis 10 d. 16:41:25

mnlg:My take of mal is that it contrasts something with its opposite, and not with its absence...
I was thinking of malfermi, and malhela. Words connected with strong emotions may indeed be good examples of straight opposites. But Kontraŭi focusses possibly more on active resistance, whereas I was thinking of inertia, as in mallaboremo. This last one may be the best parallel to what I was getting at.

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