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RiotNrrd (프로필 보기) 2007년 7월 23일 오후 7:52:52
I didn't think he had, but it occurred to me that *I* didn't know the proper way of putting it in Esperanto either.
The English version is "Thanks for sending it to me". Dankon por ??? ĝin al mi. Sendanta? Sendi? Sendis?
I've always had difficulty with this particular sentence form (and therefore generally avoid it), so now I'm putting the question out there - how would one say it correctly?
Miland (프로필 보기) 2007년 7월 24일 오전 11:56:20
mnlg (프로필 보기) 2007년 7월 24일 오후 1:01:21
Kwekubo (프로필 보기) 2007년 7월 26일 오후 11:22:54
Terurĉjo:To explain, I was thinking in my head "Mi dankas pro la sendo" and I simply contracted that by swapping the "pro" for an accusative.Kwekubo:"Mi dankas la sendon".Oni dankas personon aŭ pro io, sed ne sendon, kiu estas procedo.
erinja (프로필 보기) 2007년 7월 27일 오전 1:24:31
I am conservative in some aspects of Esperanto and liberal in others but putting "pro" in front of a verb doesn't sound good to me and I wouldn't do it personally.
I guess the issue here is that Esperanto has so very few concrete and obligatory rules, that there are many aspects of grammar that have been established through common use or through simple supposition, "If the Fundamento does it that way, then that must be the right way". If the Fundamento didn't happen to use a word in a certain way, it doesn't mean that that use is wrong.
Having said that - if there is an existing way to say something that is also elegant, I prefer not to innovate. In a case like "Mi lacas pro labori", you could equally well say "Mi lacas pro laboro". You could easily say "Dankon pro la sendo" instead of "Dankon pro sendi". I guess my own feeling is that if there's a perfectly good version of something that is commonly used, I prefer to go with that rather than innovate something new - assuming that the thing that already exists is equally as elegant as the new thing, and equally clear and useful.
And although the English "Thank you for sending it to me" is simpler than "Dankon pro la sendo de gxi al mi" - there will always be some language on earth that can say a given sentence in a more elegant way than Esperanto can.
RiotNrrd (프로필 보기) 2007년 7월 27일 오전 6:09:08
I've wondered for some time now if there was an Esperanto construction that directly mapped to the English form displayed in my example. I see now that there is not, and that the Esperanto phrasing requires a bit more conceptual rearrangement than a simple word for word mapping.
I do feel that the English style is a bit more elegant, as mentioned, but really that's neither here nor there. When in Esperantujo, do as the Esperantistoj do, after all. And since many Esperanto forms strike me as more elegant than the equivalent English forms, I suppose it's a fair trade-off if one or two don't.