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Coping

ya EldanarLambetur, 29 Novemba 2012

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EldanarLambetur (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 29 Novemba 2012 10:52:59 alasiri

I've been using "lukti" as a translation for "to cope" (effectively deal with something difficult). Given that one of its meanings in PIV is "Peni, klopodi por venki malhelpon aŭ atingi malfacilan rezulton".

Nevertheless, I've come across a word I like in The Fellowship of the Ring.

Here's the sentence from FotR:

"Do, se necesas trapeni marĉojn kaj dornojn, ni jam ekiru!"

Here's the line from the English version:

"Then if we are going to toil through bog and briar, let's go now!"

I wondered whether "trapeni" is also a good translation of "to cope" in a rough sense of "endeavouring through" something.

Would you agree?

sudanglo (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 30 Novemba 2012 1:47:46 alasiri

A common meaning for 'cope' is to manage to deal with, deal effectively with. I don't think 'lukti' will do for that, as it doesn't necessarily imply success.

In Esperanto perhaps you might in some contexts be able to get across the idea of a successful outcome by prefixing with 'tra'.

John well registers manaĝi, but this is lacking in NPIV (only manaĝero). Perhaps though this is too specifically associated with business. Often a plain 'sukcesi' might serve. 'Kompetenti' opens another approach

tommjames (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 30 Novemba 2012 2:11:12 alasiri

In some contexts you could perhaps use 'elteni' or 'elporti' for this.

februaro (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 30 Novemba 2012 3:49:17 alasiri

\effectively deal with something difficult\
I'd say 'venki'.

T0dd (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 30 Novemba 2012 4:09:57 alasiri

To me, "cope" is more passive and less triumphal than VENKI or TRAPENI. Merely to deal with a situation or conditions isn't to conquer them, or even to work through them. Sometimes it means simply to tolerate, especially in the negative.

"I couldn't cope with the lack of ventilation in the room." / MI NE POVIS TOLERI LA MANKO DE AERUMO EN LA ĈAMBRO.

In the positive sense, we might say something like, "The medicine helped me to cope with the pain." / LA MEDIKAMENTO HELPIS MIN TOLERI/ELTENI LA DOLORON.

I guess we might say VENKI LA DOLORON or even TRAPENI LA DOLORON, but to me these expressions add something to the basic idea of coping.

matrix (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 30 Novemba 2012 4:24:16 alasiri

EldanarLambetur:I've been using "lukti" as a translation for "to cope" (effectively deal with something difficult).
In this meaning, “to cope” may be translated by elturniĝi or helpi sin.

Miland (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 9 Desemba 2012 11:13:44 asubuhi

Here's a past thread on this word. At the time I favoured importing the word Japanese tajŝi for "cope".

scorpjke (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 9 Desemba 2012 11:06:00 alasiri

+1 for 'venki'

erinja (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 10 Desemba 2012 12:09:58 asubuhi

venki for "cope"? That doesn't make sense to me at all.

scorpjke (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 10 Desemba 2012 9:34:08 asubuhi

erinja:venki for "cope"? That doesn't make sense to me at all.
Hm... actually yeah, I guess you're right. I didn't think this through.

By the way, the words "elteni" and "elporti" that were mentioned about are pure loan translations from the Russian words "выдержать" and "вынести", respectively, that don't make sense either ridulo.gif And same about "ellerni" = "выучить".

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