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Kiuj sounds like Kiwi?

Alkanadi :lta, 19. elokuuta 2014

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Alkanadi (Näytä profiilli) 19. elokuuta 2014 7.38.35

Just to be clear, does Kiuj sound like Kiwi (the fruit)?

nornen (Näytä profiilli) 19. elokuuta 2014 7.40.06

Alkanadi:Just to be clear, does Kiuj sound like Kiwi (the fruit)?
No, it does not. The i and the u are in different syllables and they are both full vowels. The j is supposed to be a consonant.
It is pronounced like "key" (sxlosilo) and "uy" like in Spanish "muy".
So basically something like ['ki.uj] (which is just the Esperanto word in square brackets, lol).

sudanglo (Näytä profiilli) 19. elokuuta 2014 9.00.05

For the uj think of the vowel sound in 'cooee' (is anybody there?), but keep the 'ee' short

Now add 'kee' in front stressing it. So KEE-ooee.

The sound of 'Kiwi' (the fruit) in Esperanto would be kiŭi

Miland (Näytä profiilli) 19. elokuuta 2014 10.37.06

Alkanadi:Just to be clear, does Kiuj sound like Kiwi (the fruit)?
No, because the second syllable of kiuj (i.e. uj) is a diphthong, of which the first part is a pure vowel u. Your lips should be rounded when pronouncing it (more than when saying kiwi).

kaŝperanto (Näytä profiilli) 19. elokuuta 2014 11.18.00

I second the recommendation for "key" and "uy".

(My darned brain typed both of those with the 'j' the first time)

sergejm (Näytä profiilli) 19. elokuuta 2014 13.06.48

Listen:kiuj

Alkanadi (Näytä profiilli) 19. elokuuta 2014 14.01.11

sergejm:Listen:kiuj
Thanks. That really helps. It sounds like Key-oo-ee

Fenris_kcf (Näytä profiilli) 19. elokuuta 2014 14.35.22

Alkanadi:It sounds like Key-oo-ee
No, like "kiuj".
Using English orthography to clarify the pronunciation of a word is like eating soup with a fork — works to a certain degree, but is definitely the wrong tool for it.

nornen (Näytä profiilli) 19. elokuuta 2014 17.05.04

Fenris_kcf:
Alkanadi:It sounds like Key-oo-ee
No, like "kiuj".
Using English orthography to clarify the pronunciation of a word is like eating soup with a fork — works to a certain degree, but is definitely the wrong tool for it.
QFT

sparksbet (Näytä profiilli) 19. elokuuta 2014 19.27.31

Fenris_kcf:
Using English orthography to clarify the pronunciation of a word is like eating soup with a fork — works to a certain degree, but is definitely the wrong tool for it.
While obviously Esperanto words are best represented in their own orthography, I defy you to name the "right" tool (or any other tool, for that matter) for clarifying pronunciation in writing to a monolingual English speaker who doesn't know the IPA.

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