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글쓴이: zazi, 2014년 9월 10일

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언어: English

sergejm (프로필 보기) 2014년 9월 11일 오전 11:40:35

Я вспомнил, что (я) (не) закрыл дверь.
Mi rememoris, ke mi (ne) ŝlosis la pordon.
I have remembered that I have (not) locked the door

Без 'что' никак - oni ne povas diri ĉi tion sen 'что' ('ke' ) - they cannot say it without 'что' ('what' )

zazi (프로필 보기) 2014년 9월 11일 오후 8:12:29

First another question: Is there a difference between memori and rememori? Isn't the re redundant in this case?

And regarding my original question: "Sometimes I remember to do that."

I mean it in the sense of, for example, "I know I should eat breakfast every morning. Sometimes I remember to do that." (Though usually I don't.)

erinja (프로필 보기) 2014년 9월 11일 오후 8:16:09

Rememori is to remember again. Sometimes you remember something more than once!

sergejm (프로필 보기) 2014년 9월 12일 오전 4:51:37

Mi scias, ke (mi devas matenmanĝi|mi matenmanĝu|necesas matenmanĝi) ĉiumatene. (Iam|Iufoje|Kelkfoje) mi rememoras, ke mi faru tion (aŭ oni memor(ig)as al mi fari tion).
memori - put to memory and keep there, as a file in the computer.
rememori - get from memory, as if you accidentally found the file in the computer.
forgesi - forget, as if you delete the file. But you can get it back from the trash.

sudanglo (프로필 보기) 2014년 9월 12일 오전 11:52:06

In Esperanto the prefix re- has both the meaning of 'back' as in I gave back the money I borrowed (mi redonis la monon) and the meaning of 'repeat' as in retake the test (refari la teston).

Sometimes it is a bit imponderable as to which meaning applies.

Rememori could be to remember again or to recall a memory. And this distinction is a fine one.

The PIV definition of rememori seems to call on both meanings - reveki, prezenti denove al si en la menso. Rememorigi is (helpfully!) defined as memorigi.

In the case of remembering to lock the door as opposed to forgetting to lock the door, I would use memori.

But to translate 'that reminds me of the time when I forgot to lock the door and ..', I might use rememorigi

zazi (프로필 보기) 2014년 9월 12일 오후 4:59:27

Thanks all!

For what it's worth the Lernu! Eo-English dictionary has the exact same definition for both memori (to remember, to recollect, to recall) and rememori (to recall, to remember, to recollect).

It lists rememorigi = to recall, and memorigi = to remind.

malbirdo (프로필 보기) 2014년 9월 12일 오후 5:08:07

Kак перевести на Эсперанто
речевой оборот...
How to translate to Esperanto...

Пусть вымоют пол.
Have the floor washed.

Necere lavi la plankon.
Aŭ Estas necere lavi la plankon.

nornen (프로필 보기) 2014년 9월 12일 오후 7:17:32

malbirdo:Kак перевести на Эсперанто
речевой оборот...
How to translate to Esperanto...

Пусть вымоют пол.
Have the floor washed.

Necere lavi la plankon.
Aŭ Estas necere lavi la plankon.
I don't know the root "necer". Maybe you meant "neces"?

Necesas lavi la plankon. = It is necessary to wash the floor.
Estas necese lavi la plankon. = It is necessary to wash the floor.
Lavu la plankon. = Wash the floor. (imperative, jussive)

sergejm (프로필 보기) 2014년 9월 13일 오후 4:31:07

Пусть вымоют пол!
Let they wash the floor!
Oni lavu la plankon!

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