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IvoG (Voir le profil) 14 octobre 2011 13:34:04
-ant- The doing of something, doing something helpanto
doesn't "-ant-" actually indicate a person doing the action as in "esperi" - "esperanto - one who hopes"?
Timtim (Voir le profil) 14 octobre 2011 14:09:36
IvoG:doesn't "-ant-" actually indicate a person doing the action as in "esperi" - "esperanto - one who hopes"?Yes, you're correct. It's the one who does the action. Prezidanto prezidas kunsidon. Leganto legas gazeton. Helpanto helpas aliajn.
-ant- is not limited only to people, though. You can have, for example, kuranta/fluanta akvo, water which is running. They're describing the water in its current state.
IvoG (Voir le profil) 14 octobre 2011 14:25:12
Timtim:"kuranto" would mean a "person that is running" though, right? so when the word is an adjective "-ant-" would indicate the "-ing" form and when it's a noun the person doing the action?
-ant- is not limited only to people, though. You can have, for example, kuranta/fluanta akvo, water which is running. They're describing the water in its current state.
ceigered (Voir le profil) 14 octobre 2011 14:51:20
IvoG:Kuranto = runner (person who is running)Timtim:"kuranto" would mean a "person that is running" though, right? so when the word is an adjective "-ant-" would indicate the "-ing" form and when it's a noun the person doing the action?
-ant- is not limited only to people, though. You can have, for example, kuranta/fluanta akvo, water which is running. They're describing the water in its current state.
Kuranta ulo = a running fella
La ulo estas kuranta = the fella is in the process of running
Manĝante pomon, la ulo kuras = eating an apple, the fella runs. (the man runs, eating-ly an apple(accusative).
darkweasel (Voir le profil) 14 octobre 2011 17:23:09
IvoG:exactly.Timtim:"kuranto" would mean a "person that is running" though, right? so when the word is an adjective "-ant-" would indicate the "-ing" form and when it's a noun the person doing the action?
-ant- is not limited only to people, though. You can have, for example, kuranta/fluanta akvo, water which is running. They're describing the water in its current state.
there are a few special cases such as mathematical terms like "dividato" where a participial noun doesn't mean a person, but i wouldn't worry about them too much yet.
ceigered (Voir le profil) 15 octobre 2011 02:52:58
darkweasel:If I might build on that, it's generally insinuated that participles ending in -o refer to people unless context heavily shows otherwise, since most verbs refer to actions relevant to people.IvoG:exactly.Timtim:"kuranto" would mean a "person that is running" though, right? so when the word is an adjective "-ant-" would indicate the "-ing" form and when it's a noun the person doing the action?
-ant- is not limited only to people, though. You can have, for example, kuranta/fluanta akvo, water which is running. They're describing the water in its current state.
there are a few special cases such as mathematical terms like "dividato" where a participial noun doesn't mean a person, but i wouldn't worry about them too much yet.
Passive participles on the other hand could mean a larger variety of things, since while most actions in human languages are associated with people, most things at the end of human actions aren't necessarily (but the -o at the end of a participle instead of something like "aĵo" generally refers to an animate thing).
IvoG (Voir le profil) 16 octobre 2011 15:42:06

darkweasel (Voir le profil) 16 octobre 2011 16:15:42
IvoG:in the sentence: "Ĉie troveblas Esperantistoj." - shouldn't "Esperantistoj" have the "-n" ending? isn't it the object of the sentence?No. I don’t know if in English "findable" makes sense, but the sentence means "everywhere Esperantists are findable" (ĉie estas troveblaj Esperantistoj). The subject has just been moved to the end of the sentence.
ceigered (Voir le profil) 17 octobre 2011 07:16:26
darkweasel:"Esperantists can be found everywhere" is what we'd say, although "locatable" is usable to a degree (more for inanimate, manipulable objects or places or military targets)IvoG:in the sentence: "Ĉie troveblas Esperantistoj." - shouldn't "Esperantistoj" have the "-n" ending? isn't it the object of the sentence?No. I don’t know if in English "findable" makes sense, but the sentence means "everywhere Esperantists are findable" (ĉie estas troveblaj Esperantistoj). The subject has just been moved to the end of the sentence.
"Everywhere, Esperantists are locatable"...


IvoG (Voir le profil) 17 octobre 2011 13:54:20

