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از IvoG, 6 ژوئیهٔ 2011

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IvoG (نمایش مشخصات) 6 ژوئیهٔ 2011،‏ 19:45:44

I don't want to spam other people's threads so i'm opening my own! rideto.gif

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first question: what does "hxitina" mean? it's not in the Vortaro senkulpa.gif

tommjames (نمایش مشخصات) 6 ژوئیهٔ 2011،‏ 19:51:25

Miland (نمایش مشخصات) 6 ژوئیهٔ 2011،‏ 20:41:02

The word for the noun in the new edition of Wells is kitino, "Chitin". Both forms are in PIV 2005.
Ĥitina or kitina thus means "Chitinous" or "from Chitin". The adjective might be applied to products used in its agricultural, industrial and medical applications, e.g. kitina grasumo (fertiliser), kitina kirurgia fadeno (surgical thread).

IvoG (نمایش مشخصات) 6 ژوئیهٔ 2011،‏ 20:46:07

thanks guys...this reminds me: what's the difference b/w "h" and "hx"? is "hx" a more guttural version of "h"?

tommjames (نمایش مشخصات) 6 ژوئیهٔ 2011،‏ 20:51:12

IvoG:thanks guys...this reminds me: what's the difference b/w "h" and "hx"? is "hx" a more guttural version of "h"?
You can download a zip file from lernu.net containing mp3 files for each letter of the Esperanto alphabet, here.

Miland (نمایش مشخصات) 6 ژوئیهٔ 2011،‏ 21:03:02

IvoG:is "hx" a more guttural version of "h"?
Yes, it's like the "ch" in the Scottish "loch" or German "reich".

IvoG (نمایش مشخصات) 6 ژوئیهٔ 2011،‏ 21:08:13

tommjames:You can download a zip file from lernu.net containing mp3 files for each letter of the Esperanto alphabet, here.
yeah, i was just going over the alphabet - can't hear much of a difference b/w "h" and "hx" though senkulpa.gif in a spoken conversation it'll be pretty hard to distinguish b/w them...

erinja (نمایش مشخصات) 7 ژوئیهٔ 2011،‏ 2:37:54

ĥ is not used in very many words. In most cases context would eliminate any chance of confusion.

The only word I can think of that is exactly the same except for the letters h or ĥ is horo/ĥoro.

horo = hour
ĥoro = choir

Some people pronounce the difference very clearly, and some people do not. But I think it shouldn't be a problem.

ĥ is pronounced like the letter х in the Cyrillic alphabet.

h is pronounced the same as the English letter h.

If you can pronounce English, Bulgarian, and Russian, then pronouncing the difference between h and ĥ should not be a problem for you rideto.gif

darkweasel (نمایش مشخصات) 7 ژوئیهٔ 2011،‏ 5:16:23

Basically to say Ĥ you have to start in the position of doing a K sound, but then do an H sound from that position, not an exploding sound.

It sounds similar to the sound a cat makes when it's angry. rideto.gif

ceigered (نمایش مشخصات) 7 ژوئیهٔ 2011،‏ 9:54:33

Problably not very helpful, but in English "ĥ/hx" often appears as an emphatic/strong version of "h"...

(then again, the same guttural raspy sound appears in vowels too occasionally in the same emphatic speech, which I guess could be confusing in Esperanto)

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