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Making Toast

viết bởi Evildela, Ngày 31 tháng 1 năm 2011

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Evildela (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 10:36:34 Ngày 31 tháng 1 năm 2011

Ok, so I was thinking today (I know crazy right!) How would you say something like "I spread Vegemite across my toast"

The word for Vegemite in Esperanto is "Veĝemajto"

ceigered (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 10:40:26 Ngày 31 tháng 1 năm 2011

Mi (ĉirkaŭ)ŝmiras Veĝemajton sur mia rostpano (el unu flanko trans la alian flankon lango.gif although that intentionally long bit in these brackets probably could be cut)

I'd so badly call it "Veĝimajto" were I in charge!rido.gif

horsto (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 17:20:47 Ngày 31 tháng 1 năm 2011

ceigered:Mi (ĉirkaŭ)ŝmiras Veĝemajton sur mia rostpano
Mi ŝmiris (metis) Veĝemajton sur mian rostpanon.

freeze10108 (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 02:15:24 Ngày 01 tháng 2 năm 2011

horsto:Mi ŝmiris (metis) Veĝemajton sur mian rostpanon.
May I ask why "mian rostpanon" is in the accusative? It's not a direct object, and it's after a preposition, and I thought that one didn't put the accusative after prepositions. demando.gif

Alciona (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 04:07:36 Ngày 01 tháng 2 năm 2011

freeze10108:
horsto:Mi ŝmiris (metis) Veĝemajton sur mian rostpanon.
May I ask why "mian rostpanon" is in the accusative? It's not a direct object, and it's after a preposition, and I thought that one didn't put the accusative after prepositions. demando.gif
It indicates direction. You're spreading the Vegemite onto the toast. Take these examples:

La kato saltis sur la tablo (The cat jumped on the table. This indicates that the cat was already on the table and jumped while on the table.)

La kato saltis sur la tablon (The cat jumped onto the table. In this instance the cat was somewhere else and has jumped onto the table.)

If the Vegemite was in a jar and you are applying it to toast, you'd use the accusative. If it was already on the toast and you were smearing it about, you wouldn't.

ceigered (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 06:52:11 Ngày 01 tháng 2 năm 2011

Mmm, that's interesting, I've never thought of spreading stuff onto toast as involving direction... More placing the spread onto the toast then spreading lango.gif. Perhaps a cultural (or subcultural) difference, since I've never used nor heard much of "spread (peanut butter) onto", where as I'd assume other languages have "spread onto/spread on (+ dative?)" used... Nonetheless, I can't forsee any problems with spreading the stuff "sur rostpano", although there would clearly be a change in the emphasis and possibly misleading either way if used in the wrong circumstances.

I'm guessing in German it's something along the lines of "auf den Toast" rather than "auf dem Toast"? (Laŭ tiu ĉi paĝo: auf.

darkweasel (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 07:31:36 Ngày 01 tháng 2 năm 2011

ceigered:
I'm guessing in German it's something along the lines of "auf den Toast" rather than "auf dem Toast"? (Laŭ tiu ĉi paĝo: auf.
yes, in German I'd definitely use the accusative here.

sudanglo (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 11:34:05 Ngày 01 tháng 2 năm 2011

I wouldn't think this is a case where the accusative of direction is absolutely obligatory. You are hardly going to be standing on the toast and 'ŝmiring'.

By the way 'Toasto' is less cumbersome and more specific than rostita pano (which might anyway be more than a pantranĉajo - pano is bread and 2 panoj is two loaves.)

Miland (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 11:51:35 Ngày 01 tháng 2 năm 2011

Wells has both rostpano and toasto. The first one might be more easily understood by Esperantists who are not speakers of English.

darkweasel (Xem thông tin cá nhân) 12:02:34 Ngày 01 tháng 2 năm 2011

Miland:roastpano
Rostpano. (Unless that's a typo in the dictionary you've cited.)

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