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lingvokapablo (프로필 보기) 2012년 3월 9일 오전 4:19:26
carmona (프로필 보기) 2012년 3월 9일 오전 4:56:26
lingvokapablo:What would be a good word for "wannabe" in Esperanto?Maybe "estemulo", literaly? Inferentialy, no idea.
lingvokapablo (프로필 보기) 2012년 3월 9일 오전 5:52:54
carmona:Maybe "estemulo", literaly?I could be reading it wrong, but I don't think "estemulo" would work. The way I read "estemulo" just doesn't have the negative connotation associated with it like the word "wannabe" has.
Vilius (프로필 보기) 2012년 3월 9일 오전 5:58:30
Desmut (프로필 보기) 2012년 3월 9일 오전 6:16:36
Vilius:Maybe afektulo, ŝajnigulo. In severe cases of wannabeism even fal(em)suloEble vi celis la vorton fals(em)ulo, cxu ne?
Evildela (프로필 보기) 2012년 3월 9일 오전 8:46:49
Vilius (프로필 보기) 2012년 3월 9일 오전 11:52:08
Desmut:Eble vi celis la vorton fals(em)ulo, cxu ne?Jes, dankon.
sudanglo (프로필 보기) 2012년 3월 9일 오후 12:34:24
komenstanto (프로필 보기) 2012년 3월 10일 오후 7:08:43
I had an argument with a blues musician from northern Germany who suggested that only the Eric Clapton generation were NOT wannabes. All subsequent rock is wannabe. To me though, Clapton was a wannabe blues artist as well, as he copied the African American musicians. I don't see where the line is drawn. To stop change and innovation goes against human evolution.
The concept of wannabe thus has no productive meaning for human progress.
lingvokapablo (프로필 보기) 2012년 3월 10일 오후 9:00:53
komenstanto:I like 'afektulo', though strictly speaking, I think everyone is a wannabe, or no one. The idea of 'social-learning' means copying other ideas in order to help evolve them. I watched a video that suggested chimpanzees lacked social-learning skills, thus they could not evolve like humans by copying each other and improving. They merely do the same thing over and over.For me, when I use the word "wannabe" it comes down to authenticity. A wannabe to me isn't someone who sincerely wants to learn, they want "it" (whatever it happens to be) because it's cool or socially accepted.
I had an argument with a blues musician from northern Germany who suggested that only the Eric Clapton generation were NOT wannabes. All subsequent rock is wannabe. To me though, Clapton was a wannabe blues artist as well, as he copied the African American musicians. I don't see where the line is drawn. To stop change and innovation goes against human evolution.
The concept of wannabe thus has no productive meaning for human progress.
However, I do agree with you when you say we as humans copy each other to learn.