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Wannabe

de lingvokapablo, 9 de março de 2012

Mensagens: 17

Idioma: English

lingvokapablo (Mostrar o perfil) 9 de março de 2012 04:19:26

What would be a good word for "wannabe" in Esperanto?

carmona (Mostrar o perfil) 9 de março de 2012 04:56:26

lingvokapablo:What would be a good word for "wannabe" in Esperanto?
Maybe "estemulo", literaly? Inferentialy, no idea.

lingvokapablo (Mostrar o perfil) 9 de março de 2012 05:52:54

carmona:Maybe "estemulo", literaly?
I could be reading it wrong, but I don't think "estemulo" would work. The way I read "estemulo" just doesn't have the negative connotation associated with it like the word "wannabe" has.

Vilius (Mostrar o perfil) 9 de março de 2012 05:58:30

Maybe afektulo, ŝajnigulo. In severe cases of wannabeism even fals(em)ulo

Desmut (Mostrar o perfil) 9 de março de 2012 06:16:36

Vilius:Maybe afektulo, ŝajnigulo. In severe cases of wannabeism even fal(em)sulo
Eble vi celis la vorton fals(em)ulo, cxu ne?

Evildela (Mostrar o perfil) 9 de março de 2012 08:46:49

ĉiamnesukcesulaĉo... however that's a mouth full. Remember every language has it's own slang which can never be fully translated. Even in English this word makes no sense without prior knowledge.

Vilius (Mostrar o perfil) 9 de março de 2012 11:52:08

Desmut:Eble vi celis la vorton fals(em)ulo, cxu ne?
Jes, dankon.

sudanglo (Mostrar o perfil) 9 de março de 2012 12:34:24

What about volunto - tiu kiu volus?

komenstanto (Mostrar o perfil) 10 de março de 2012 19:08:43

I like 'afektulo', though strictly speaking, I think everyone is a wannabe, or no one. The idea of 'social-learning' means copying other ideas in order to help evolve them. I watched a video that suggested chimpanzees lacked social-learning skills, thus they could not evolve like humans by copying each other and improving. They merely do the same thing over and over.

I had an argument with a blues musician from northern Germany who suggested that only the Eric Clapton generation were NOT wannabes. All subsequent rock is wannabe. To me though, Clapton was a wannabe blues artist as well, as he copied the African American musicians. I don't see where the line is drawn. To stop change and innovation goes against human evolution.

The concept of wannabe thus has no productive meaning for human progress.

lingvokapablo (Mostrar o perfil) 10 de março de 2012 21:00:53

komenstanto:I like 'afektulo', though strictly speaking, I think everyone is a wannabe, or no one. The idea of 'social-learning' means copying other ideas in order to help evolve them. I watched a video that suggested chimpanzees lacked social-learning skills, thus they could not evolve like humans by copying each other and improving. They merely do the same thing over and over.

I had an argument with a blues musician from northern Germany who suggested that only the Eric Clapton generation were NOT wannabes. All subsequent rock is wannabe. To me though, Clapton was a wannabe blues artist as well, as he copied the African American musicians. I don't see where the line is drawn. To stop change and innovation goes against human evolution.

The concept of wannabe thus has no productive meaning for human progress.
For me, when I use the word "wannabe" it comes down to authenticity. A wannabe to me isn't someone who sincerely wants to learn, they want "it" (whatever it happens to be) because it's cool or socially accepted.

However, I do agree with you when you say we as humans copy each other to learn.

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