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Why do people hate grammatical cases?

Wilhelm :lta, 7. tammikuuta 2012

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Kieli: English

Hyperboreus (Näytä profiilli) 16. huhtikuuta 2012 1.18.33

Forigite

robbkvasnak (Näytä profiilli) 16. huhtikuuta 2012 1.39.47

Yes, I meant pronouns. I was being rushed to get the message done to go shopping. Sorry, a slip.

razlem (Näytä profiilli) 16. huhtikuuta 2012 5.02.32

Hyperboreus:But true enough, if you can make a difference between "he" and "him", why not between "hundo" and "hundon"...
Because "hundo" is not a pronoun.

darkweasel (Näytä profiilli) 16. huhtikuuta 2012 5.58.20

Hyperboreus:
robbkvasnak:English does have cases - though now only for the prepositions: I, mine, me; He, his, him; she, hers, her, etc. That is how I explain the cases to English speakers studying Esperanto.
Pronouns, not prepositions. But true enough, if you can make a difference between "he" and "him", why not between "hundo" and "hundon"...
Note however that you still need to explain to English speakers (also to German speakers) that "for him" is not *por lin but por li.

Hyperboreus (Näytä profiilli) 16. huhtikuuta 2012 16.37.36

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robbkvasnak (Näytä profiilli) 16. huhtikuuta 2012 17.54.46

German uses "in das Haus" as opposed to "in dem Haus" as well as "in die See" and "in der See" but "in den Ozean" (not "in der Ozean") and "in dem Ozean". In the first two examples, German speakers see the "das" and "die" as accusatives even though they look like nominatives.

whysea (Näytä profiilli) 16. huhtikuuta 2012 18.08.24

razlem:
Hyperboreus:But true enough, if you can make a difference between "he" and "him", why not between "hundo" and "hundon"...
Because "hundo" is not a pronoun.
But aren't pronouns a type of noun?

I'm not sure what they are really classified as, but I mean they function as a noun does because they replace the noun, so...

Hyperboreus (Näytä profiilli) 16. huhtikuuta 2012 18.24.50

Forigite

whysea (Näytä profiilli) 16. huhtikuuta 2012 19.16.21

Thanks for the clarification, Hyperboreus. I knew pronouns would end up being more complicated. lango.gif

I still think the he/him, hundo/hundon thing is a very concise explanation, even if it is not exact.

darkweasel (Näytä profiilli) 16. huhtikuuta 2012 19.28.34

robbkvasnak:German speakers see the "das" and "die" as accusatives even though they look like nominatives.
Indeed, so I don’t really get your point... demando.gif

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