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Why do people hate grammatical cases?

de Wilhelm, 7 janvier 2012

Messages : 115

Langue: English

Hyperboreus (Voir le profil) 16 avril 2012 01:18:33

Forigite

robbkvasnak (Voir le profil) 16 avril 2012 01:39:47

Yes, I meant pronouns. I was being rushed to get the message done to go shopping. Sorry, a slip.

razlem (Voir le profil) 16 avril 2012 05:02:32

Hyperboreus:But true enough, if you can make a difference between "he" and "him", why not between "hundo" and "hundon"...
Because "hundo" is not a pronoun.

darkweasel (Voir le profil) 16 avril 2012 05:58:20

Hyperboreus:
robbkvasnak:English does have cases - though now only for the prepositions: I, mine, me; He, his, him; she, hers, her, etc. That is how I explain the cases to English speakers studying Esperanto.
Pronouns, not prepositions. But true enough, if you can make a difference between "he" and "him", why not between "hundo" and "hundon"...
Note however that you still need to explain to English speakers (also to German speakers) that "for him" is not *por lin but por li.

Hyperboreus (Voir le profil) 16 avril 2012 16:37:36

Forigite

robbkvasnak (Voir le profil) 16 avril 2012 17:54:46

German uses "in das Haus" as opposed to "in dem Haus" as well as "in die See" and "in der See" but "in den Ozean" (not "in der Ozean") and "in dem Ozean". In the first two examples, German speakers see the "das" and "die" as accusatives even though they look like nominatives.

whysea (Voir le profil) 16 avril 2012 18:08:24

razlem:
Hyperboreus:But true enough, if you can make a difference between "he" and "him", why not between "hundo" and "hundon"...
Because "hundo" is not a pronoun.
But aren't pronouns a type of noun?

I'm not sure what they are really classified as, but I mean they function as a noun does because they replace the noun, so...

Hyperboreus (Voir le profil) 16 avril 2012 18:24:50

Forigite

whysea (Voir le profil) 16 avril 2012 19:16:21

Thanks for the clarification, Hyperboreus. I knew pronouns would end up being more complicated. lango.gif

I still think the he/him, hundo/hundon thing is a very concise explanation, even if it is not exact.

darkweasel (Voir le profil) 16 avril 2012 19:28:34

robbkvasnak:German speakers see the "das" and "die" as accusatives even though they look like nominatives.
Indeed, so I don’t really get your point... demando.gif

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