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Why do people hate grammatical cases?

글쓴이: Wilhelm, 2012년 1월 7일

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Hyperboreus (프로필 보기) 2012년 4월 16일 오전 1:18:33

Forigite

robbkvasnak (프로필 보기) 2012년 4월 16일 오전 1:39:47

Yes, I meant pronouns. I was being rushed to get the message done to go shopping. Sorry, a slip.

razlem (프로필 보기) 2012년 4월 16일 오전 5:02:32

Hyperboreus:But true enough, if you can make a difference between "he" and "him", why not between "hundo" and "hundon"...
Because "hundo" is not a pronoun.

darkweasel (프로필 보기) 2012년 4월 16일 오전 5:58:20

Hyperboreus:
robbkvasnak:English does have cases - though now only for the prepositions: I, mine, me; He, his, him; she, hers, her, etc. That is how I explain the cases to English speakers studying Esperanto.
Pronouns, not prepositions. But true enough, if you can make a difference between "he" and "him", why not between "hundo" and "hundon"...
Note however that you still need to explain to English speakers (also to German speakers) that "for him" is not *por lin but por li.

Hyperboreus (프로필 보기) 2012년 4월 16일 오후 4:37:36

Forigite

robbkvasnak (프로필 보기) 2012년 4월 16일 오후 5:54:46

German uses "in das Haus" as opposed to "in dem Haus" as well as "in die See" and "in der See" but "in den Ozean" (not "in der Ozean") and "in dem Ozean". In the first two examples, German speakers see the "das" and "die" as accusatives even though they look like nominatives.

whysea (프로필 보기) 2012년 4월 16일 오후 6:08:24

razlem:
Hyperboreus:But true enough, if you can make a difference between "he" and "him", why not between "hundo" and "hundon"...
Because "hundo" is not a pronoun.
But aren't pronouns a type of noun?

I'm not sure what they are really classified as, but I mean they function as a noun does because they replace the noun, so...

Hyperboreus (프로필 보기) 2012년 4월 16일 오후 6:24:50

Forigite

whysea (프로필 보기) 2012년 4월 16일 오후 7:16:21

Thanks for the clarification, Hyperboreus. I knew pronouns would end up being more complicated. lango.gif

I still think the he/him, hundo/hundon thing is a very concise explanation, even if it is not exact.

darkweasel (프로필 보기) 2012년 4월 16일 오후 7:28:34

robbkvasnak:German speakers see the "das" and "die" as accusatives even though they look like nominatives.
Indeed, so I don’t really get your point... demando.gif

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