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Why do people hate grammatical cases?

од Wilhelm, 07. јануар 2012.

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Језик: English

Hyperboreus (Погледати профил) 16. април 2012. 01.18.33

Forigite

robbkvasnak (Погледати профил) 16. април 2012. 01.39.47

Yes, I meant pronouns. I was being rushed to get the message done to go shopping. Sorry, a slip.

razlem (Погледати профил) 16. април 2012. 05.02.32

Hyperboreus:But true enough, if you can make a difference between "he" and "him", why not between "hundo" and "hundon"...
Because "hundo" is not a pronoun.

darkweasel (Погледати профил) 16. април 2012. 05.58.20

Hyperboreus:
robbkvasnak:English does have cases - though now only for the prepositions: I, mine, me; He, his, him; she, hers, her, etc. That is how I explain the cases to English speakers studying Esperanto.
Pronouns, not prepositions. But true enough, if you can make a difference between "he" and "him", why not between "hundo" and "hundon"...
Note however that you still need to explain to English speakers (also to German speakers) that "for him" is not *por lin but por li.

Hyperboreus (Погледати профил) 16. април 2012. 16.37.36

Forigite

robbkvasnak (Погледати профил) 16. април 2012. 17.54.46

German uses "in das Haus" as opposed to "in dem Haus" as well as "in die See" and "in der See" but "in den Ozean" (not "in der Ozean") and "in dem Ozean". In the first two examples, German speakers see the "das" and "die" as accusatives even though they look like nominatives.

whysea (Погледати профил) 16. април 2012. 18.08.24

razlem:
Hyperboreus:But true enough, if you can make a difference between "he" and "him", why not between "hundo" and "hundon"...
Because "hundo" is not a pronoun.
But aren't pronouns a type of noun?

I'm not sure what they are really classified as, but I mean they function as a noun does because they replace the noun, so...

Hyperboreus (Погледати профил) 16. април 2012. 18.24.50

Forigite

whysea (Погледати профил) 16. април 2012. 19.16.21

Thanks for the clarification, Hyperboreus. I knew pronouns would end up being more complicated. lango.gif

I still think the he/him, hundo/hundon thing is a very concise explanation, even if it is not exact.

darkweasel (Погледати профил) 16. април 2012. 19.28.34

robbkvasnak:German speakers see the "das" and "die" as accusatives even though they look like nominatives.
Indeed, so I don’t really get your point... demando.gif

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