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Why do people hate grammatical cases?

от Wilhelm, 7 января 2012 г.

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Язык: English

Hyperboreus (Показать профиль) 16 апреля 2012 г., 1:18:33

Forigite

robbkvasnak (Показать профиль) 16 апреля 2012 г., 1:39:47

Yes, I meant pronouns. I was being rushed to get the message done to go shopping. Sorry, a slip.

razlem (Показать профиль) 16 апреля 2012 г., 5:02:32

Hyperboreus:But true enough, if you can make a difference between "he" and "him", why not between "hundo" and "hundon"...
Because "hundo" is not a pronoun.

darkweasel (Показать профиль) 16 апреля 2012 г., 5:58:20

Hyperboreus:
robbkvasnak:English does have cases - though now only for the prepositions: I, mine, me; He, his, him; she, hers, her, etc. That is how I explain the cases to English speakers studying Esperanto.
Pronouns, not prepositions. But true enough, if you can make a difference between "he" and "him", why not between "hundo" and "hundon"...
Note however that you still need to explain to English speakers (also to German speakers) that "for him" is not *por lin but por li.

Hyperboreus (Показать профиль) 16 апреля 2012 г., 16:37:36

Forigite

robbkvasnak (Показать профиль) 16 апреля 2012 г., 17:54:46

German uses "in das Haus" as opposed to "in dem Haus" as well as "in die See" and "in der See" but "in den Ozean" (not "in der Ozean") and "in dem Ozean". In the first two examples, German speakers see the "das" and "die" as accusatives even though they look like nominatives.

whysea (Показать профиль) 16 апреля 2012 г., 18:08:24

razlem:
Hyperboreus:But true enough, if you can make a difference between "he" and "him", why not between "hundo" and "hundon"...
Because "hundo" is not a pronoun.
But aren't pronouns a type of noun?

I'm not sure what they are really classified as, but I mean they function as a noun does because they replace the noun, so...

Hyperboreus (Показать профиль) 16 апреля 2012 г., 18:24:50

Forigite

whysea (Показать профиль) 16 апреля 2012 г., 19:16:21

Thanks for the clarification, Hyperboreus. I knew pronouns would end up being more complicated. lango.gif

I still think the he/him, hundo/hundon thing is a very concise explanation, even if it is not exact.

darkweasel (Показать профиль) 16 апреля 2012 г., 19:28:34

robbkvasnak:German speakers see the "das" and "die" as accusatives even though they look like nominatives.
Indeed, so I don’t really get your point... demando.gif

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