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Why do people hate grammatical cases?

ya Wilhelm, 7 Januari 2012

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Hyperboreus (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 16 Aprili 2012 1:18:33 asubuhi

Forigite

robbkvasnak (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 16 Aprili 2012 1:39:47 asubuhi

Yes, I meant pronouns. I was being rushed to get the message done to go shopping. Sorry, a slip.

razlem (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 16 Aprili 2012 5:02:32 asubuhi

Hyperboreus:But true enough, if you can make a difference between "he" and "him", why not between "hundo" and "hundon"...
Because "hundo" is not a pronoun.

darkweasel (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 16 Aprili 2012 5:58:20 asubuhi

Hyperboreus:
robbkvasnak:English does have cases - though now only for the prepositions: I, mine, me; He, his, him; she, hers, her, etc. That is how I explain the cases to English speakers studying Esperanto.
Pronouns, not prepositions. But true enough, if you can make a difference between "he" and "him", why not between "hundo" and "hundon"...
Note however that you still need to explain to English speakers (also to German speakers) that "for him" is not *por lin but por li.

Hyperboreus (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 16 Aprili 2012 4:37:36 alasiri

Forigite

robbkvasnak (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 16 Aprili 2012 5:54:46 alasiri

German uses "in das Haus" as opposed to "in dem Haus" as well as "in die See" and "in der See" but "in den Ozean" (not "in der Ozean") and "in dem Ozean". In the first two examples, German speakers see the "das" and "die" as accusatives even though they look like nominatives.

whysea (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 16 Aprili 2012 6:08:24 alasiri

razlem:
Hyperboreus:But true enough, if you can make a difference between "he" and "him", why not between "hundo" and "hundon"...
Because "hundo" is not a pronoun.
But aren't pronouns a type of noun?

I'm not sure what they are really classified as, but I mean they function as a noun does because they replace the noun, so...

Hyperboreus (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 16 Aprili 2012 6:24:50 alasiri

Forigite

whysea (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 16 Aprili 2012 7:16:21 alasiri

Thanks for the clarification, Hyperboreus. I knew pronouns would end up being more complicated. lango.gif

I still think the he/him, hundo/hundon thing is a very concise explanation, even if it is not exact.

darkweasel (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 16 Aprili 2012 7:28:34 alasiri

robbkvasnak:German speakers see the "das" and "die" as accusatives even though they look like nominatives.
Indeed, so I don’t really get your point... demando.gif

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