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Obsolete loanwords

by logixoul, August 27, 2005

Messages: 83

Language: English

ceigered (User's profile) June 19, 2009, 9:36:21 AM

russ:Or go back to Zamenhof's use of the root "kinematograf". Then "film" and "kin" are both unnecessary roots, since kinejo/filmejo can be kinematografejo, filmo/kinaĵo can be kinematografaĵo, etc. ridulo.gif
No way I saying kinematografejo rido.gif

Rogir (User's profile) June 19, 2009, 11:03:17 AM

Zamenhof certainly did not find the best root for every meaning. I think that many roots that include -graf can easily be shortened. I prefer the roots with film, but at least a definite choice would be nice.

gyrus (User's profile) June 19, 2009, 11:49:41 AM

I choose lernejego simply because in Japanese University is "big school" but lernegejo works just as well.

Ŝovinismo is another unneccessary one, but I'm not sure how to replace it. Superpensismo?

Rogir (User's profile) June 19, 2009, 12:11:18 PM

Nacifiereco?

Oŝo-Jabe (User's profile) June 20, 2009, 4:54:15 AM

Well I always thought that institutions of learning already had synonyms, such as bazlernejo, mezlernejo (liceo, gimnazio), altlernejo (universitato, kolegio)

ceigered (User's profile) June 20, 2009, 6:15:33 AM

gyrus:I choose lernejego simply because in Japanese University is "big school" but lernegejo works just as well.
Ah I see, well I guess there aren't that many differences unless you were talking to a robot which only understood a certain order of word-components ridulo.gif And I can't argue much against the Japanese, considering that has some of the best 'simple' word constructions (at least better than most European languages) lango.gif

russ (User's profile) June 28, 2009, 2:01:36 PM

Rogir:Nacifiereco?
"Ŝovinismo" goes beyond mere national pride. It is excessive fanatical nationalistic jingoism and xenophobia. Maybe "tronacifiereco" or "finacifiereco" better captures it, but it seems a bit hard actually to capture in a concise constructed word.

airpath (User's profile) June 30, 2009, 1:08:38 PM

Foresto ≠ Arbaro !!!

Foresto = for + esto , do esti for.

David Crystal pensas ke tio estas slava sed mi ne certas.

ceigered (User's profile) June 30, 2009, 4:31:23 PM

airpath:Foresto ≠ Arbaro !!!

Foresto = for + esto , do esti for.

David Crystal pensas ke tio estas slava sed mi ne certas.
Mi amas tiun vorton, Arbaro - kaj mi pensas ke "foresto" estas fine derivita de "forestem silvam" ("la ekstera arbaro" en latina). Tial ne slava rideto.gif. La problemo por mi estas ke "forest" (de la sama radiko kiel "foresto") en angla signifas io kiu estas pli granda ol "woods" ("arbaro").

Tial: arboj -> arbaro -> foresto (per grandeco) - sed mi ne scias se tiu distingo estas gxusta esperante.

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airpath:Foresto ≠ Arbaro !!!

Foresto = for + esto , therefore to be away.

David Crystal thinks that that is slavic but I'm not sure.
I love that word, Arbaro - and I think that "foresto" is ultimately derived from "forestem silvam" ("the outside woods" in latin). Therefore not slavic rideto.gif. The problem for me is that "forest" in English means something that is bigger than a "woods" ("arbaro").

Therefore: arboj (trees) -> arbaro (woods) -> foresto (forest) (by size) - But I don't know if this distinction is right in Esperanto.

nshepperd (User's profile) June 30, 2009, 11:53:17 PM

arboj = arbareto < arbaro < arbarego?
So there may be no need for "forest"! okulumo.gif

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