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Obsolete loanwords

от logixoul, 27 августа 2005 г.

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ceigered (Показать профиль) 19 июня 2009 г., 9:36:21

russ:Or go back to Zamenhof's use of the root "kinematograf". Then "film" and "kin" are both unnecessary roots, since kinejo/filmejo can be kinematografejo, filmo/kinaĵo can be kinematografaĵo, etc. ridulo.gif
No way I saying kinematografejo rido.gif

Rogir (Показать профиль) 19 июня 2009 г., 11:03:17

Zamenhof certainly did not find the best root for every meaning. I think that many roots that include -graf can easily be shortened. I prefer the roots with film, but at least a definite choice would be nice.

gyrus (Показать профиль) 19 июня 2009 г., 11:49:41

I choose lernejego simply because in Japanese University is "big school" but lernegejo works just as well.

Ŝovinismo is another unneccessary one, but I'm not sure how to replace it. Superpensismo?

Rogir (Показать профиль) 19 июня 2009 г., 12:11:18

Nacifiereco?

Oŝo-Jabe (Показать профиль) 20 июня 2009 г., 4:54:15

Well I always thought that institutions of learning already had synonyms, such as bazlernejo, mezlernejo (liceo, gimnazio), altlernejo (universitato, kolegio)

ceigered (Показать профиль) 20 июня 2009 г., 6:15:33

gyrus:I choose lernejego simply because in Japanese University is "big school" but lernegejo works just as well.
Ah I see, well I guess there aren't that many differences unless you were talking to a robot which only understood a certain order of word-components ridulo.gif And I can't argue much against the Japanese, considering that has some of the best 'simple' word constructions (at least better than most European languages) lango.gif

russ (Показать профиль) 28 июня 2009 г., 14:01:36

Rogir:Nacifiereco?
"Ŝovinismo" goes beyond mere national pride. It is excessive fanatical nationalistic jingoism and xenophobia. Maybe "tronacifiereco" or "finacifiereco" better captures it, but it seems a bit hard actually to capture in a concise constructed word.

airpath (Показать профиль) 30 июня 2009 г., 13:08:38

Foresto ≠ Arbaro !!!

Foresto = for + esto , do esti for.

David Crystal pensas ke tio estas slava sed mi ne certas.

ceigered (Показать профиль) 30 июня 2009 г., 16:31:23

airpath:Foresto ≠ Arbaro !!!

Foresto = for + esto , do esti for.

David Crystal pensas ke tio estas slava sed mi ne certas.
Mi amas tiun vorton, Arbaro - kaj mi pensas ke "foresto" estas fine derivita de "forestem silvam" ("la ekstera arbaro" en latina). Tial ne slava rideto.gif. La problemo por mi estas ke "forest" (de la sama radiko kiel "foresto") en angla signifas io kiu estas pli granda ol "woods" ("arbaro").

Tial: arboj -> arbaro -> foresto (per grandeco) - sed mi ne scias se tiu distingo estas gxusta esperante.

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airpath:Foresto ≠ Arbaro !!!

Foresto = for + esto , therefore to be away.

David Crystal thinks that that is slavic but I'm not sure.
I love that word, Arbaro - and I think that "foresto" is ultimately derived from "forestem silvam" ("the outside woods" in latin). Therefore not slavic rideto.gif. The problem for me is that "forest" in English means something that is bigger than a "woods" ("arbaro").

Therefore: arboj (trees) -> arbaro (woods) -> foresto (forest) (by size) - But I don't know if this distinction is right in Esperanto.

nshepperd (Показать профиль) 30 июня 2009 г., 23:53:17

arboj = arbareto < arbaro < arbarego?
So there may be no need for "forest"! okulumo.gif

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