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ya ceigered, 21 Januari 2010

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ceigered (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 21 Januari 2010 12:08:04 alasiri

How would one translate "But didn't you do that too?" into Esperanto (in the context where someone may mention or talk about an act someone else did, when they themselves did the very same thing)?

I'm going for "Ĉu vi ja ankaŭ ....." or something like that, is that right or wrong?

Rogir (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 21 Januari 2010 12:44:17 alasiri

Sed ĉu ne vi faris la saman?

ceigered (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 21 Januari 2010 1:20:29 alasiri

Rogir:Sed ĉu ne vi faris la saman?
Cheers Rogir! Isn't ĉu ne also used at the end of sentences in the same way as "he" is in Dutch?

Rogir (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 21 Januari 2010 3:23:17 alasiri

Ĉu ne at the end of the sentence is quite similar to English isn't it, in Dutch we say either hè or toch, its precise usage is what distinguishes the fluent speaker.

darkweasel (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 21 Januari 2010 6:38:55 alasiri

I'd say "Sed ĉu ne ankaŭ vi faris tion?"

Vilinilo (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 21 Januari 2010 11:10:43 alasiri

ceigered:How would one translate "But didn't you do that too?" into Esperanto (in the context where someone may mention or talk about an act someone else did, when they themselves did the very same thing)?

I'm going for "Ĉu vi ja ankaŭ ....." or something like that, is that right or wrong?
It's wrong. I mean, logically wrong, since it's a fallacy lango.gif
Tu quoque

ceigered (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 22 Januari 2010 4:41:29 asubuhi

Cheers for that Rogir, I didn't see the connection to "isn't it" for some strange reason lango.gif, and cheers also Darkweasel!

@ Vilinilo - Cheers, I guess rido.gif Do you mean it's wrong as in a bad style of argument?

Vilinilo (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 22 Januari 2010 9:47:44 alasiri

niko-tina is right, actually I was kidding. Being a fallacy or not, one must know how to speak it in Esperanto, since even fallacies are part of the language. But, @ceigered used unproperly (as in general it is, indeed), yes, this kind of argumentation is horrible.

ceigered (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 23 Januari 2010 9:02:57 asubuhi

Haha cheers then Vilinilo and Niko-tina lango.gif

The original context was a "pot calling the kettle black" joke with someone, not used as an argument (but of course that doesn't really show up in my original message lango.gif).

Also - "used unproperly" - I think we should rename this to "Used as-in-youtube-comments-ly" rido.gif

Vilinilo (Wasifu wa mtumiaji) 23 Januari 2010 2:56:29 alasiri

ceigered:Also - "used unproperly" - I think we should rename this to "Used as-in-youtube-comments-ly" rido.gif
LMAO! Or in Yahoo! Answers. Can't figure which one is the worst.

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